Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[Conpecia]

So exciting. Cautious optimism in effect.

This. I think those of us who are NW3 or less should really press to maintain what we have for the next 3 years. Even if it doesn't grow hair on slick bald areas, keeping what we have now will free up donor hair for our slick regions.

Really wishing I was a diffuse guy right now

[UK_]

This. I think those of us who are NW3 or less should really press to maintain what we have for the next 3 years. Even if it doesn't grow hair on slick bald areas, keeping what we have now will free up donor hair for our slick regions.

Really wishing I was a diffuse guy right now

Dont know how on earth those of us who cant take Fin are supposed to do that.

Perhaps... the Hair Max Laser comb? LOL

[ammin]

Consider the Acell PRP UK from a reputable clinic

[rdawg]

Here is what Histogen said about it:

Importantly, the efficacy of HSC is not limited by hair loss region. The Phase I/II clinical trial has shown noted new hair growth in subjects treated in all regions of the scalp, including temporal recession, mid-scalp and vertex. Subjects receiving HSC in the temporal recession, which is known to be more difficult to treat than other areas of hair loss, saw marked improvement in terminal hair count, with a mean increase of 22.6% at 12 weeks and 25.2% at the 24 week time point.

The best result Histogen had across the Phase I/II trial was 80% increase in terminal hair at 3 months. Average was 20%. The average result at 12 months should be around 50%, going by the results of the pilot study.

Check the presentation out for yourself:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/111831133/...linical-Update

Should also be noted that in the next year they will attempt to get even more efficacy. They know it works to an extent, now they'll attempt to inject a larger area(I believe) with more frequent injections(currently I think it's once, then again after 6 weeks)

Even if the pictures were slightly underwhelming, they did show maintainence and some minor growth, that one girl grew back most of her vellus hairs on her hairline(Ziering mentioned almost all vellus hairs return to terminal btw, something Fin does not guarentee.)

[rdawg]

hi rdawg.. thank u for the reply. do u think when its 1st released in asia in 2015 that i can somehow get my hands on it? i dont want to wait 3-4 years when its released in USA.

also, how effective is it in regrowing hair in the front scalp?

Well I think there's a possibility it gets streamlined so to speak. Ziering kind of mentioned this as well.

basically if they have great results and it gets approved in asia, The FDA may skip over a phase in order to get the product to market if they like the tests they already did in asia. So basically it could take only an extra year of localised testing.

I'm wondering why it's not already being FDA tested here now though? or is it? maybe someone can clarify that as it shouldn't take 5 years vs 2-3 for the FDA to approve a product that is seemingly safe and working.

Guys it's about 2 and a half years from release in asia, not far at all if you live around there or are willing to travel.

[Pate]

I'm wondering why it's not already being FDA tested here now though? or is it?

It is, sort of. The trials are being done overseas but they FDA-compliant. So they can use the results of these studies to get FDA approval.

I'm guessing the reasons they do the trials overseas are partly due to much cheaper costs and partly because there is less red tape and paperwork in getting the trials approved.

[FearTheLoss]

Who is down to rent a ship and sail to Asia in 3 years? We can definitely get enough people on this forum to chip in and sail together! TO ASIA!!!!

[Conpecia]

Dont know how on earth those of us who cant take Fin are supposed to do that.

Perhaps... the Hair Max Laser comb? LOL

Which sides do you have with fin?

[rdawg]

It is, sort of. The trials are being done overseas but they FDA-compliant. So they can use the results of these studies to get FDA approval.

I'm guessing the reasons they do the trials overseas are partly due to much cheaper costs and partly because there is less red tape and paperwork in getting the trials approved.

Interesting, I know ziering is in the states, like california area. Then the main doctor is doing it somewhere in asia.

so isnt Ziering doing tests through the FDA in North America?

[hellouser]

Dont know how on earth those of us who cant take Fin are supposed to do that.

Perhaps... the Hair Max Laser comb? LOL

RU58841 will do just as well as Finasteride without making your dick go as soft as it would with Rosie O'Donnell near it.

[kanyon]

I would want a fluent English speaker performing the operation on me.

[UK Boy]

I would want a fluent English speaker performing the operation on me.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything but I really think this is a pretty stupid, narrow-minded and pointless comment.

Just because the treatment is going to be offered in Asia it does not mean that the staff will not be able to speak English. Histogen are an American based company with Americans in charge, I'm sure they're going to employ staff with a goood grasp of the English language to run their Asian clinic and that the clinic will fully live up to American standards. I'm sure the clinic will also be in a cosmopolitan area, most likely a city and not some rural village.

I went to a private bording school and therefore know there are many highly intelligent people from Asian backgrounds who all speak fleunt English - a lot of them went into medical careers.

The procedure is far from an "operation" hence why it is such an exciting and appealing option to so many of us, do you even know what Histogen is? or are you just trolling the board making stupid coomments? To suggest that medical staff in Asia are to be doubted in their competence to administer a simple series of injections is rather insulting don't you think?

By all accounts Gho and his staff are not fleunt in English but would you make the same comment about them?

It was recently reported that two thirds of the people currently living in London are non uk nationals and hence may well not speak English fleuntly but would you have made the same comment if the treatment was going to be offered in the UK first?

I do understand your point, I would not want to deal with a person speaking another language during a medical procedure but I think that it is wrong to assume that this would be the case just because the treatment will be offered in Asia.

My issue is that I would happily take the trip to Asia and have the procedure but I do not know of many employers that would be happy for me to take 6+ weeks off to stay out there for the repeat set of injections. I also would not fancy going out once and then returning home and then having to go all the way again less than 2 months later. I think this will be the main issue for Westerners wanting this before it comes over here.

[HARIRI]

Great reply UK Boy, that's the problem with some members in the forum. Histogen is a product ready to be used on you via injections. I believe our main goal is to get some hair and not chit chat. Racism gets nasty over here as they always look at Asians in a lower gaze where they might over take the west with their developments one day.

[koolx]

Well I think there's a possibility it gets streamlined so to speak. Ziering kind of mentioned this as well.

i saw a youtube video with someone commenting that histogen isnt that effective at all. he said the numbers look good on paper. but the pics show something quite different. i dont mean to be a bad news breaker. heres the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khVm4wSpzjo

[FearTheLoss]

RU58841 will do just as well as Finasteride without making your dick go as soft as it would with Rosie O'Donnell near it.

Can you tell me more about RU? Why aren't more people talking about it/ using it then? And why doesn't the doctor prescribe it?