Cetirizine

[bananana]

Why doesn't some one try a stronger blocker than cet

my thoughts exactly. ps, has someone explored - what are stronger blockers?

[thechamp]

Try a stronger blocker

Why doesn't some one try a stronger blocker than cet

[goingquick]

Hey Doke, think z German who had the most regrowth was using minox too. That's what I'm gonna try first. Had sides with 5% minox gonna try 2% on hairline only. Will update.

Do you recall if most of the German forum members were using Cet once or twice a day?

[Conpecia]

In the germans use did they use cet alone or with minoxidil.

Hey Doke, think z German who had the most regrowth was using minox too. That's what I'm gonna try first. Had sides with 5% minox gonna try 2% on hairline only. Will update.

[doke]

In the germans use did they use cet alone or with minoxidil.

[caliboy]

anyone getting good results without minox? Ive been doing it for a week without minox, will keep you guys posted, if i get any results from it.

[goingquick]

Is it not possible to edit your own posts on this forum? I would have just added this to my last post. Anyway, I'll be keeping a log of my Cet usage in this thread.

I picked up an eye dropper and distilled water at Walmart tonight, and made a small solution of topical Cet (20 ml distilled water, 20 Cet tabs). The eye droppers have no marks for measurements, though I'm assuming they draw what is fairly close to 1ml.

[goingquick]

Couldn't find bottles with droppers anywhere so I ended up ordering them on Amazon. Damn things won't be here till the 30th.

It gets me down to see how many are running under the assumption that they'll be no pharmacy level treatments available in the near future.

Histogen might not be that far away. Who knows what the ****s up with Aderans and Replicel.

A pdg2 treatment, if they prove to even be effective, won't officially be released for a long time so if you wanna give that a shot I'd suggest doing like others in this thread and just making your own in the meantime.

[clandestine]

It gets me down to see how many are running under the assumption that they'll be no pharmacy level treatments available in the near future.

Kirby mate; you've been down lately. Chin up! I realize it sucks propecia didn't work out for you, but it doesn't for many other men too. We just have to play our cards, and try our best. That's all anyone can ask of us. And you tried, absolutely. You made a decision, acting out of your best interests. Don't fret because of it, move forward from here!

[Kirby_]

It gets me down to see how many are running under the assumption that they'll be no pharmacy level treatments available in the near future.

[Pate]

Yeah. Bottom line is this is growing hair on slick bald heads. Period. That makes it a huge step in the right direction. People will simply manipulate the variables until an optimal solution is arrived at and we'll be on our way to more important ventures.

Anyways, how has the past week been on Cet? Shedding? Anything?

I purchased all the stuff and am waiting for it to arrive this week. Can't afford to wait until January; hairline is going north quick. I'm pretty much going all in on the big 3 + Cet for one year and then calling it quits and saving up for a HT if my loss continues. Youth is too short to **** around with these experiments forever. I keep thinking 'at least I'll have a full head of hair in my 40s once Histogen or Replicel comes out.' **** that. These treatments have one year to stop my hairloss or it's HT time.

It's going fine so far. Day 12 today. It's hard to know about shedding, I do seem to be shedding more than usual but I'm well aware that it may be just a case of paying more attention to it. Couple of slightly pigmented hairs just breaking the skin near the hairline I don't remember before either, too fine to even resolve on my camera.

Maybe I'm seeing the first sign of results, maybe it's just a prime example of the power of suggestion!

I hear you about the 'just have to hold on 10 more years...' feelings. It's so crap. And no guarantee it'll even happen. I have enough donor to fix my current thinning NW6 but I'm only 31 and I don't trust fin to keep working, so HTs are off the table for me. My genetic destiny is a slick bald NW6 and I'd rather be that than have a HT that doesn't have enough coverage.

So if PGD2 inhibitors don't work then it's Histogen/Replicel or nothing I'm afraid.

[Conpecia]

One thing you have to keep in mind is that regrowth could be expected to slow because these hairs are all sprouting together. A thicker hair takes longer to cycle so you'd expect that after an initial burst of growth, they would basically sit for a while until the next cycle of resting then growing again.

So the next couple of months will be critical. There may be another shed followed by even stronger growth. Or it may just stay as is.

Regardless, this is really the first medication ever to have apparently grown terminal hair on slick bald scalp. We don't know what to expect. It may take more than 12 months to get a true, full length terminal hair, because it may take many cycles to repair fully.

Or it may be a dead end... The joys of being at the cutting edge of science!

Yeah. Bottom line is this is growing hair on slick bald heads. Period. That makes it a huge step in the right direction. People will simply manipulate the variables until an optimal solution is arrived at and we'll be on our way to more important ventures.

Anyways, how has the past week been on Cet? Shedding? Anything?

I purchased all the stuff and am waiting for it to arrive this week. Can't afford to wait until January; hairline is going north quick. I'm pretty much going all in on the big 3 + Cet for one year and then calling it quits and saving up for a HT if my loss continues. Youth is too short to **** around with these experiments forever. I keep thinking 'at least I'll have a full head of hair in my 40s once Histogen or Replicel comes out.' **** that. These treatments have one year to stop my hairloss or it's HT time.

[Pate]

Just checked the German forums and it looks like they are maxing out at the "lots of small terminal hairs" stage, nobody has made a real breakthrough with regrowth.

Be that as it may, I'm not hearing anyone say their shedding has gotten any worse, so while this may not be the knockout regrowth solution we hoped it would be, it still might stop further loss cheaply with no side effects, so we're still looking at a promising treatment, and PGD2 still seems like a good theory. We just need something stronger.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that regrowth could be expected to slow because these hairs are all sprouting together. A thicker hair takes longer to cycle so you'd expect that after an initial burst of growth, they would basically sit for a while until the next cycle of resting then growing again.

So the next couple of months will be critical. There may be another shed followed by even stronger growth. Or it may just stay as is.

Regardless, this is really the first medication ever to have apparently grown terminal hair on slick bald scalp. We don't know what to expect. It may take more than 12 months to get a true, full length terminal hair, because it may take many cycles to repair fully.

Or it may be a dead end... The joys of being at the cutting edge of science!

[rdawg]

My thoughts also. I'm diffuse thinning, I'm using msm/vitc and it got me rid of itch and oil. Now I'm looking for some regrowth. So cetirizine didnt provide better growth than small terminal hairs? Perhaps a stronger antihistamine is needed? Or something added to the mix? Can it thicken thinning hair?

I just need something to ride out the "waiting wave" (until histogen, aderans, replicel give their products out.. 2-5 years at least)

yea we're in a 3-4 year transition period. Do whatever you can to hold on to what you have right now as you never know what the next product will do or how much growth it will give.

I'd still wait a bit on cetirizine here, it's only been a few months for some of those people.

[bananana]

The small terminal hairs were grown at slick bald spots, but do you know what they were saying the effects are in areas where there already are velus hairs, ie; around the hairline? What about in areas of thinning? I imagine that if slick bald spots were affected with minimal regrowth, it should do something to existing areas of hair, no?

I'm hoping it adds density... or better yet, touch up the hairline!

My thoughts also. I'm diffuse thinning, I'm using msm/vitc and it got me rid of itch and oil. Now I'm looking for some regrowth. So cetirizine didnt provide better growth than small terminal hairs? Perhaps a stronger antihistamine is needed? Or something added to the mix? Can it thicken thinning hair?

I just need something to ride out the "waiting wave" (until histogen, aderans, replicel give their products out.. 2-5 years at least)