Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[yeahyeahyeah]

btw, has everyone else on this thread quit all use of dht blockers and taken gutteds word for it?

I am not using any.

Never have.

Gutted I hope you are right

[yeahyeahyeah]

I am not using any.

Never have.

Gutted I hope you are right

My baseline photo:



I am a NW2 underneath my thick hair. So looking for maintainence.

[Cob984]

damn dude thats good hair, make me jealous,
1 year ago my hair looked like that of bon jovi, today its a combover, wow

[yeahyeahyeah]

damn dude thats good hair, make me jealous,
1 year ago my hair looked like that of bon jovi, today its a combover, wow

Thanks man it was better when I was 20
How old are you and much hair do you shed on average?

Yeah I empathize with you. I saw your experiences with saw palmetto, and I deliberately held off DHT blockers since noticing my hairline going back in 2009, because my shedding was always 10-30 hairs in the shower.

Gutted's treatment tbh, is likely to do nothing if it doesnt work except improve my health, which is why I prefer treatments like this.

I think in some cases the DHT blockers can accelerate your hairloss, where otherwise it will go at a slow rate.

[Cob984]

im 24,
i got on saw palmetto in november 2011 and it thickened my hair immediately , had great result for about 3 months, then started regressing a bit and also sides, i was up and down on the dosage desperate to find a way to avoid sides till i finally had gyno surgery in august, all through i was regressing but still had pretty good hair

Now im in freefall, i knocked off the saw palmetto 3 weeks ago and am on gutteds regime, i am not shedding that much, when i apply oil for eg, i can see 3-4 hair and another 3-4 in the shower but my hairline is taking a beating and my hair is thinnning insanely, i had thick lustrous hair so this is the major shock, its not so much a shed, just insane thinning and i am very close to getting back on the saw palmetto because now i cannot step out of my house without feeling ashamed,

[yeahyeahyeah]

im 24,
i got on saw palmetto in november 2011 and it thickened my hair immediately , had great result for about 3 months, then started regressing a bit and also sides, i was up and down on the dosage desperate to find a way to avoid sides till i finally had gyno surgery in august, all through i was regressing but still had pretty good hair

Now im in freefall, i knocked off the saw palmetto 3 weeks ago and am on gutteds regime, i am not shedding that much, when i apply oil for eg, i can see 3-4 hair and another 3-4 in the shower but my hairline is taking a beating and my hair is thinnning insanely, i had thick lustrous hair so this is the major shock, its not so much a shed, just insane thinning and i am very close to getting back on the saw palmetto because now i cannot step out of my house without feeling ashamed,

Sorry to hear that mate.

Why are you taking saw palmetto when its basically the same as fin?

And was the gyno related to saw palmetto?

[Cob984]

i already had gyno but the sp aggravated it

well cause its a milder blocker than fin is, thought i take it before going down the fin road,

i am not taking it anymore, been off 3 weeks but i might just go back on

[Cob984]

gutted,
have you ever wondered that maybe when you say the combo didnt work when you took sp but started to do so w/o it, its because it just bought this combo more time and trx2 was in your system longer? looks like the trx2 is a slow treatment
just a thought

[Cob984]

btw are any of you guys on this regimen also considering the Topical Cetirizine mentioned in the other thread? sounds promising to give it a go? opinions?

sorry for the multitude of posts but im getting desperate

[gutted]

gutted,
exactly how much worse does the hair get before getting better? my hair is absolute freefall, it looks like the combover of a 65 year old man, i cannot tolerate this and since we had similar responses to saw palmetto was it really this bad before it got better? i know its early days, 4 weeks in but im seeing regression and nothing else

it depends on the individual, it did get worse to th epoint where my hair was see through on the left side only (the side which has the most density loss), but STARTS to reverse in a few weeks time.

you would need to wait it out for 3 months after dropping sp, usually levels start to reset within 3 weeks, but it can take upto 3 months.

[gutted]

also, i will be having surgery soon under general anesth, prob last 3-4 hours, this ok for my hair regimen?

intresting you should ask this question, i had surgery back in 2009 or 2010 under general anstheisa ( i cant remember exactly when) when i came out of surgery i took some pain killers (codiene) this was the time when i noticed my temples going back.

[gutted]

Ok I have started this regime.

I am going to taper myself up to heavier doses.

Currently, 2 x 1500 MSM tablets and 2 x 1000 vit c tablets.

I normally dont shed much hair, 30 max, so looking for maintainence.

the itch/increasedoil is a symptom of mpb, if this is under control, i believe mpb is also under control. If you dont have the itch/increased oil secretion, or dont know what im talking about you probably do not have mpb.

sides/backs are dry and itch free. I would also guess non balders have dry hair too.

[gutted]

gutted,
have you ever wondered that maybe when you say the combo didnt work when you took sp but started to do so w/o it, its because it just bought this combo more time and trx2 was in your system longer? looks like the trx2 is a slow treatment
just a thought

no its definitely the androgen suppression that affects treatments in a negtaive way.

You can get back on SP right now and within the next 2/3 weeks stop/reduce your hair loss, but it WILL pick up again, its only a matter of time.

Why dont you try sp again and come back and report what happens.

[yeahyeahyeah]

the itch/increasedoil is a symptom of mpb, if this is under control, i believe mpb is also under control. If you dont have the itch/increased oil secretion, or dont know what im talking about you probably do not have mpb.

sides/backs are dry and itch free. I would also guess non balders have dry hair too.

I do suffer from an oily scalp, where my hair feels flatter and it is not restricted to the top, sides and back do get oily too.

Normally find if I masturbate or have sex, the scalp gets oily very quickly.

The itch I have never had it, but my hairline still went back from a NW0 to a NW2. Hairs around the hairline get smaller and smaller.

[Z1L]

Hi Gutted,

I've read through this thread and this stuff looks interesting. I've been taking saw palmetto for roughly 3 weeks. I've decided to drop it today and get on Msm and Vit C.

How does this stuff essentially work?

Will these two supplements alone prevent Mpb from progressing?

I am a Norwood 1 and I don't even know if I have Mpb for sure but it runs in my family a fair bit and i may be worrying my self for no reason at the moment. But I think I'll take this to hopefully prevent ands it's better to be safe than sorry.

Thanks for giving everyone your time.