Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[Cob984]

looks like you have the patience atleast, did you drop any dht blockers etc while getting on the trx2 combo?

[yeahyeahyeah]

I too am going through this. My hair is thinning very badly and shedding at the hairline a lot. I look like a mess right now and am rocking the same pathetic looking combover as you in an attempt to cover it up. The long hair MSM gives you means I can cover my temples but its obvious what I am doing. People will glance at my hair when talking to me and you just know they are thinking "look at this bellend, he should just shave his head". I wish I could but I have a big scar up there and a massive head so its not that I will look bad bald but I will look like a freak.

Baldness and buzzing are not an option for me. I am already looking at a partial frontal hair system while I try to recover from this and I am also saving for a HT to rebuild my hairline, although I won't do that until I stabilise this hairloss and thinning. That is how desperate I am.

I have been on TRX2, VITC 4g and Opti MSM 9g for about 6 weeks now. I have noticed a slight reduction in itching which gutted says is the first sign that this is working. He listed the following recovery stages in this programs

1. Reduction in itch (3 week to - 2 month mark)
2. Reduction in shedding (3 to 6 month mark)
3. Increase in density (6-12months)
4. Satablisation of MBP (12+ months)

The time markers are an approximation from memory of what he said but just go through the thread to find his exact approximations. I hope to god he is right and I am encouraged by the reduction in itching which would indicate things are on track but I have lost so much ground in 2 months and it could be another 4 until shedding reduces, not stops mind you, that I will be beyond the point of no return and will have lost my fight against MPB. This and the thinning of hair and the fact non sulfate shampoo and MSM makes the hair very limp is compounding my woes.

I am hanging on by my fingernails here. My right temple is shedding a lot more than my left so I try and play with the hairline and brush it accross but whatever way I work it I am a walking object of ridicule right now unless I wear a hat. Even then my hair is so weak and limp that simply putting on and pulling off a hat causes hair fall.

I hope to god Gutted was right and things pick up. I hope to G O D.

Were you on DHT blockers before?

[bananana]

I'll be honest here - I can see a reduced itch and far less oil. I've been using it for around 4 weeks now.

The itch is so lowered I forget I have mpb during the day. That hasnt happened to me in a few years now.

Plus my scalp is really less oily - so this must work since I've dropped everything else (saw palmetto, toco sorb, equol, soy + capsaicin etc etc.)

I'm planning to add cetirizine from the other thread since it is really cheap stuff, I'm probably going to use dermaroller to "puncture" my scalp and then spray the stuff on it.
We'll see.

[clandestine]

Will these two supplements alone prevent Mpb from progressing?

Not likely.

If you're a NW1 though you may as well take them.

[MrBlonde]

looks like you have the patience atleast, did you drop any dht blockers etc while getting on the trx2 combo?

Were you on DHT blockers before?

Not really. To further elaborate on that I purchased Minox, Lipogaine and was on S-equol for a few weeks. I tired to order in Fin also but it was seized and destroyed by customs.

I have never used the Rogaine. Lipogaine is a mix of Minoxidil Enhanced with Azelaic Acid DHT Blocker, Biotin, Vitamins and is considered and Intensive Treatment & Complete Solution for Hair Loss. I tired this once. I applied to the crown and my eyes burnt so bad for the 30 mins after applying I never touched it again. I was also wary of the initial shed.

I am against drugs and prefer the natural approach to the body. I ordered Fin and these other product in desperation and against my natural product taking will and had already made up my mind not to take Fin when I got the letter from customs.

S-equol I took for a few weeks. It is naturally produced in the gut I think. Eating a lot of Soy converts bacteria or something in the digestive tract into s-equol which binds to DHT stopping its effectiveness, that could be totally wrong but its close-ish. A lot of Asian men who have high Soy diets also have lots of hair, its no surprise that wig makers get the hair they tie into the systems from there so I gave it a go.

The company shut down so I decided not to continue taking it. What would be the point to keep on taking it? If it worked I had no follow up supply so I dropped it cold turkey and have a bottle and a half left. This was months before I got on TRX2/VITC/MSM so I was not inhibiting DHT at the same time.

Cob984 I don't its a good idea to mix programs. With Fin and Minox there is a shed too so you have to try and ride these things out. I know its easier said then done but dropping and starting will do more harm. You will read this in numerous threads around here.

I don't know if this will work but I am giving it 12 months. Fingers crossed.

[Cob984]

im not mixing, i mean saw palm is a mild dht blocker at best, all its doing is slowing my deterioration down, w/o it my hair is taking a pounding and with no guarantee that this combo works i cant hold on

i will not take fin or minox while on this program, that much i know, am giving it atleast 6 months before i decide whether to take either

[MrBlonde]

im not mixing, i mean saw palm is a mild dht blocker at best, all its doing is slowing my deterioration down, w/o it my hair is taking a pounding and with no guarantee that this combo works i cant hold on

i will not take fin or minox while on this program, that much i know, am giving it atleast 6 months before i decide whether to take either

You might want to check with Gutted but even a mild DHT blocker could effect this programs efficacy.

People are reporting a reduction in itching, at least three of us and I don't think there are much more than that on this program. This would indicate stage one is being reached. If we keep each other informed and updated we can judge this programs efficacy well.

The thinning is a worry though. I would like gutted to let us know did he experience this? MSM and non sulfate makes hair very limp imo so I think its maybe making things look slightly worse than they are although there is no doubt thinning is taking place. Some of us are diffuse, I believe I am and this may mean the results of this program will vary for each person, not only in the timeline of results but the final result itself.

[Cob984]

You might want to check with Gutted but even a mild DHT blocker could effect this programs efficacy.

People are reporting a reduction in itching, at least three of us and I don't think there are much more than that on this program. This would indicate stage one is being reached. If we keep each other informed and updated we can judge this programs efficacy well.

The thinning is a worry though. I would like gutted to let us know did he experience this? MSM and non sulfate makes hair very limp imo so I think its maybe making things look slightly worse than they are although there is no doubt thinning is taking place. Some of us are diffuse, I believe I am and this may mean the results of this program will vary for each person, not only in the timeline of results but the final result itself.

I would love to but i want the trx2 combo to be in my system several months before i start taking away the other blockers etc,
If Fin + minox work better than each alone then why wont sp + trx2? gutteds logic is shed rates, but i have never experienced bad sheds nor the itch people talk about, my problem is aggressive thinning, if i wait 6-12 months for this regimen to kick in my fight will be well and truly over and thats a risk i cannot take

if this was a proven/scientific treatment i might take the risk but its not and i need some mental assurance that im not relying 100% on this treatment,

[gutted]

I do suffer from an oily scalp, where my hair feels flatter and it is not restricted to the top, sides and back do get oily too.

Normally find if I masturbate or have sex, the scalp gets oily very quickly.

The itch I have never had it, but my hairline still went back from a NW0 to a NW2. Hairs around the hairline get smaller and smaller.

msm'll solve your problem.

The itch is hard to detect if you dont pay attention, i suspect you do have it, but brush it off as a normal dandruff related scratch.

[gutted]

Hi Gutted,

I've read through this thread and this stuff looks interesting. I've been taking saw palmetto for roughly 3 weeks. I've decided to drop it today and get on Msm and Vit C.

How does this stuff essentially work?

Im not quite sure, i suspect it normalises the cox chain reaction (which includes pgd2) minox does this too. But i cant say for sure how it works.

Will these two supplements alone prevent Mpb from progressing?

yes i believe it can, although i have to say its not proven to.

[gutted]

Just added 1 dose of 120-150 sp extract back to my regimen again,

On the msm.vitc front with all due respect to gutted i doubt it does anything to stop mpb, it makes your hair grow a lot faster but does nothing to actually preventing mpb from my experience so far, about 5 weeks in.

you need patience, and time. 5 weeks is a baby step to stabilising mpb.

it takes around 6 months for this to occur, (+3months if you recentley dropped any andorgen inhibiting subtance, topical or internal)

as you can see the months add up, which is why it takes time.

[gutted]

He is on TRX2 as well.

How do we know that isnt the key ingredient? It just took a while to kick in.

its definiteley not the trx2 alone.

its the msm/vit c that stops mpb, and trx2 that regrows.

[gutted]

I don't know if this will work but I am giving it 12 months. Fingers crossed.

this is the correct attitude, you need to give it 12 months solid, no other product introduced at all. Ride these so called "sheds" out, they are not sheds, they are hairs which would have been lost anyway, which WILL return.

[gutted]

You might want to check with Gutted but even a mild DHT blocker could effect this programs efficacy.

People are reporting a reduction in itching, at least three of us and I don't think there are much more than that on this program. This would indicate stage one is being reached. If we keep each other informed and updated we can judge this programs efficacy well.

The thinning is a worry though. I would like gutted to let us know did he experience this? MSM and non sulfate makes hair very limp imo so I think its maybe making things look slightly worse than they are although there is no doubt thinning is taking place. Some of us are diffuse, I believe I am and this may mean the results of this program will vary for each person, not only in the timeline of results but the final result itself.

it will affect the efficacy for sure.

there is no thinning with with this combo, any thinning is down to mpb or people who have recently dropped dht inhibitors will experience this, that will reverse in approx 3/6 months time.

diffuse thinners are the ones who will experince the best results with this at the 12 month mark, they will easily be able to see the diffuseness fill in over the months. Taking pictures may be a good idea too.

[gutted]

as for the people reporting limp hair, it may be due to reduction in oil secretion that is giving you this effect, you may want to use a good conditioner.