Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[MrBlonde]

it will affect the efficacy for sure.

there is no thinning with with this combo, any thinning is down to mpb or people who have recently dropped dht inhibitors will experience this, that will reverse in approx 3/6 months time.

diffuse thinners are the ones who will experince the best results with this at the 12 month mark, they will easily be able to see the diffuseness fill in over the months. Taking pictures may be a good idea too.

So you were not thinning before this treatment or you were? I cant remember.

Did you hair feel flat, limp or thin at all at any stage and would you say your hair is thick now? How was your crown looking?

How thick is your hair now compared to the worst point of your MPB on this program? and do you still experience hairfall at the hairline?

[gutted]

So you were not thinning before this treatment or you were? I cant remember.

yes i was thinning in a diffuse manner BECAUSE of mpb, most visible on the left side.

Did you hair feel flat, limp or thin at all at any stage and would you say your hair is thick now? How was your crown looking?

yes it was flat, thin, and limp, because of the thinning that had occured because of mob. Not AFTER i started this combo. I never witnessed this. My crown was not "bad" but i could tell i was starting to lose density in this region, but not noticeable to the naked eye.

How thick is your hair now compared to the worst point of your MPB on this program? and do you still experience hairfall at the hairline?

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if i did not introduce saw pal, garlic extract and curcumin in march of this year and induce sheds i would say my diffuseness on the left side would have filled in more and right side would have gained more density and i would not be coming here anymore! However because i did introduce those, i shedded some hairs which i can see slowly returning, i can give a better update in 6 months on this.
The crown looks fuller and more denser since starting, even though there was no problem here, but i can tell ive grown new hair here.

The hairline has not moved since staying on the combo consistently, it only moved when i dropped the msm. which was last year, and how i discovered that its the msm that works.

its a long term treatment, people give propecia 12/24 months to do its job, the same should be expected of other treatments. Getting impatient and then introducing other treatments does not help in any way, but induce sheds that keeps you on this never ending "shed" roundabout.

[Cob984]

gutted, ok, i am considering dropping the sp again, have just taken one 120 mg dose, hopefully thats not enough to spoil progress,

But since dropping sp my hairline especially on the left is taking a beating, you are asking me to be patient but if i wait a few months by then my hairline will be non existent, so how do you suggest i approach this, i guess everyone balds differently but mine is very very aggressive, on my mothers side all males were more or less bald by my age 24 to give you an idea

[gutted]

gutted, ok, i am considering dropping the sp again, have just taken one 120 mg dose, hopefully thats not enough to spoil progress,

But since dropping sp my hairline especially on the left is taking a beating, you are asking me to be patient but if i wait a few months by then my hairline will be non existent, so how do you suggest i approach this, i guess everyone balds differently but mine is very very aggressive, on my mothers side all males were more or less bald by my age 24 to give you an idea

lol first and foremost, you need to decide what you want to do!
If you think your having a "shed" or taking a "beating" you need to ride this out for the greater good.

Like i said, those hairs are only shedding because of your SP use.
Yes...its probably likley if you got back on sp now you would start to notice some reduction in shed but this again will be shortlived and you will be back to square one again within a few weeks to months.
Then when/ or if you deicde to drop the SP, you will thin out again (like you are doing now), and then decide to get back on it again, and "think" that its "helping" your mpb <- its a never ending cycle, (its the same for fin too.)

if you want to continue with this you need to be prepared to not use anything else for the 12 months that you are on it, the results in order of appearence are outlined in one of my earlier posts.

The thinning you are experiencing will resolve in a matter of months, you just need to be patient and not introduce anything else, this WILL affect your hair.

[Irishamerica]

lol first and foremost, you need to decide what you want to do!
If you think your having a "shed" or taking a "beating" you need to ride this out for the greater good.

Like i said, those hairs are only shedding because of your SP use.
Yes...its probably likley if you got back on sp now you would start to notice some reduction in shed but this again will be shortlived and you will be back to square one again within a few weeks to months.
Then when/ or if you deicde to drop the SP, you will thin out again (like you are doing now), and then decide to get back on it again, and "think" that its "helping" your mpb <- its a never ending cycle, (its the same for fin too.)

if you want to continue with this you need to be prepared to not use anything else for the 12 months that you are on it, the results in order of appearence are outlined in one of my earlier posts.

The thinning you are experiencing will resolve in a matter of months, you just need to be patient and not introduce anything else, this WILL affect your hair.

GUtted what shampoo are you using . I have been on the MSM Combo for 3 weeks and have already noticed a reduced itch. I also swicthed from Niz to the Regenepure combo 2 weeks ago. ALread my sc alp feels better and i dont have any more lumps or redness "i think this is down to the aloe vera "I have real thick hair NW2 but and oliy scalp and face . The MSM has really stoped oil prodcuion in my head and face I belive after 3 weeks .


How many teaspoons do the powder do you take a day? i read that its better to space them out beacsue like other nutrients you need a gap of a couple of hours to ensure optimal absorbation .

I am also using pure vitmin c made from Berries (not absorbic acid )

[gutted]

GUtted what shampoo are you using . I have been on the MSM Combo for 3 weeks and have already noticed a reduced itch. I also swicthed from Niz to the Regenepure combo 2 weeks ago. ALread my sc alp feels better and i dont have any more lumps or redness "i think this is down to the aloe vera "I have real thick hair NW2 but and oliy scalp and face . The MSM has really stoped oil prodcuion in my head and face I belive after 3 weeks .


How many teaspoons do the powder do you take a day? i read that its better to space them out beacsue like other nutrients you need a gap of a couple of hours to ensure optimal absorbation .

I am also using pure vitmin c made from Berries (not absorbic acid )

that great news, but can you really attribute the success to the msm/vitc, since you are using regenepure which does contain ingredients such as keto and saw palmetto etc, (you should be careful of systemic introduction) - these can also reduce oil production too by blocking the AR/5ar enzyme etc, so your result is slig***ley blurred but i do believe the msm/vitc is working for you too.

i take in pill form 9 grams a day, but 6 grams a day is also enough. Yes vitc from berries is ok. Taking msm in intervals should also be ok.

i use a tgel shampoo. -> http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/neutr...ir_1_9904.html

[Cob984]

i still find it very bemusing that you so vehemently oppose anything like keto/saw palm etc even topically just cause the regimen worked for you,

i have a question, so if ur temples also receded while you got off the sp and waited for the regime to kick in, did your temples actually gain that lost ground back? I know you say those would have been lost to mpb anyway but id rather have them with sp then without

[dex89]

that great news, but can you really attribute the success to the msm/vitc, since you are using regenepure which does contain ingredients such as keto and saw palmetto etc, (you should be careful of systemic introduction) - these can also reduce oil production too by blocking the AR/5ar enzyme etc, so your result is slig***ley blurred but i do believe the msm/vitc is working for you too.

i take in pill form 9 grams a day, but 6 grams a day is also enough. Yes vitc from berries is ok. Taking msm in intervals should also be ok.

i use a tgel shampoo. -> http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/neutr...ir_1_9904.html

bought it.

can you post which msm and vitc pills your taking?

[gutted]

i still find it very bemusing that you so vehemently oppose anything like keto/saw palm etc even topically just cause the regimen worked for you,

i have a question, so if ur temples also receded while you got off the sp and waited for the regime to kick in, did your temples actually gain that lost ground back? I know you say those would have been lost to mpb anyway but id rather have them with sp then without

i think most are finding it outlandish that i dont reccomend any dht blockers!!! theres a good reason to it but you will just have to trust me on this, i have explained in some of the posts the reason why, but i guess some people wont/cant understand.

When i dropped sp just recently (august) my left side frontal regions thinned out, ive slolwy gained back the lost density, & its still increasing, in the next 6 months i expect it to be fully filled in. I also gave an explantation as to why this occurs.

When i say "those would be lost to mpb anyway" what i mean is they were already going to fallout The telogen phase was initiated hence the fallout (they will come back, if you stick with msm).

You WILL get those hairs back if you stick to the msm, ive said in the thread msm stops dormancy, even if you take it with dht blockers. The only thing it CANT stop is sheds caused by sp/dht blocking/reflex hyperandogenicty. <- this is what we all want to avoid & it doesnt give you the visible results you want.
These random sheds make it appear as if the msm/vitc "does not work" this blurs your judgement, hence why i say to reach the later stages of - reduced shed rate & stablisation of mpb you cant be using dht blockers as the only way of knowing its working for you is through a reduced shed rate which dht blockers "blur/counteract".

[gutted]

bought it.

can you post which msm and vitc pills your taking?

i take this, although any pure form of msm is ok.

http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=doctors+best+msm&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38626820&biw=1152&bih=733&ie=UTF-8&cid=11700960027169778124&sa=X&ei=muCjUP2aH4bP0QW6q4HADQ&ved=0CGEQ8wIwAA

your on fin, you should read the thread on what to expect out of this.

[gutted]

i still find it very bemusing that you so vehemently oppose anything like keto/saw palm etc even topically just cause the regimen worked for you,

The regime will work for anyone, those with simple hair loss to aggressive mpb if followed as directed.
anyone can block the production of oil through saw palmetto, keto or any androgen inhibiting substance etc
but these only last so long, before you are back to square one. Not only that, but they also blur your results, and can actually aggrevate your hair loss, if ANY systemic introduction is made. IF this occurs you will have more hairs falling out (not neccasrily lost,thats if you are on msm btw) since there is NO way of knowing if any systemic introduction is being made,
its better to be safe than sorry.

The point of this combo is, it reduces the production of oil through an AR/5ar enzyme independant mechanism which i speculate lasts forever. It also may have the potential to stop hair loss dead in its tracks, something which fin/dut cant do.

[Cob984]

i am seriously confused now, how can it get worse if you use dht blockers? you are saying if i use the msm combo with the revivogen and once a week niz which i am doing currently my shed will be greater than the benefit the msm provides?

i would love to believe you are the genius thats figured out mpb but maybe it just suited your body that way and dht blockers were never the answer for you. i dont know at this point i really dont have the confidence to drop revivogen and niz and ride the worsening out, im seeing my hair worsen dramatically and ill lose my mind knowing that all im doing is just msm/trx2/vitc and expect to wait a good 6 months to see improvement, sorry but im just too paranoid and i will lose my mind
(maybe if more posters apart from you come on here in a few months and say yes this combo in isolation is the way forward i will get some more courage to do the same but now now, i have too much else going on in life as is)

in that case, should i might as well be on a 120-150mg dose of oral sp a day as well?

[gutted]

i am seriously confused now, how can it get worse if you use dht blockers? you are saying if i use the msm combo with the revivogen and once a week niz which i am doing currently my shed will be greater than the benefit the msm provides?

It MAY get worse, we know androgen suppression does not stop hair loss forerver,it only delays it for some time, how long? no one knows. You already stated previously sp was losing effectiveness...

Its a hard to comprehend scenario, but simply, you will not get anything VISIBLE out of msm/trx2/vitc. you may prevent hairs from going dormant, and that is all you will get out of msm/vitc should you decide to use it with dht blockers.

in that case, should i might as well be on a 120-150mg dose of oral sp a day as well?

This is up to you! going back and forth certainly isnt helping you or your hair in anyway, make a decision and stick with it.

[Irishamerica]

that great news, but can you really attribute the success to the msm/vitc, since you are using regenepure which does contain ingredients such as keto and saw palmetto etc, (you should be careful of systemic introduction) - these can also reduce oil production too by blocking the AR/5ar enzyme etc, so your result is slig***ley blurred but i do believe the msm/vitc is working for you too.

i take in pill form 9 grams a day, but 6 grams a day is also enough. Yes vitc from berries is ok. Taking msm in intervals should also be ok.

i use a tgel shampoo. -> http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/neutr...ir_1_9904.html

Thanks ..Yeah I started the MSM combo 2 weeks before and after 2 weeks i noticed at the end of the work day my head is greasy because i have oily skin...since being on the combo the oil prodcution in my face has really dried up . I get mild acne when i come off my proactiv which i have been using since i was 18 (now 26) ..I think i might be finally ready to come off the proactiv becauseof this combo because before i started the combo if i missed a day of proactiv i would get realy greasy and spots would appear ...since the combo none of that ...I believe this is has also led to the reduce itch on my head ....only been about a month but so far so good .....i am not looking to grow new hair just maintan hope it continues

[Jcm800]

Hmm, my head is itching again and I've got dandruff which had cleared up back.

Still shedding mildly, I'm using tgel and have been for a while, tempted to have a single wash with keto again just to clear it up