Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

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i linked you to the product i took with tocotreniols. it contained phytosterols. Beta sitosterol is in saw palmetto and saw palmetto also is known to boost libido, the way this occurs is due to upregulation.

in certain circumstances saw palmetto can boost libido and temporarily lower libido the same goes for tocotreniols.

Did you also take Saw Palmetto at the time?

[ovoxo]

is it possible that I stopped shedding (even though I'm on rogaine) and itch is still present? because I feel that I shed less hair than I used to before starting MSM.

[Ginkosama]

Any brand you do/don't recommand ?

I am hesitating between :

- Nature's Way OptiMSM : http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-MS...0-Tablets/2488

-Vitacost "normal" MSM : http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-msm...ulfonylmethane

[Jcm800]

Not sure if it's msm working or the cessation of keto but the inflamed bumps irritation on my crown and nape of my neck has all but stopped. Very happy about that!

I'm using OptiMSM.

[Benzzro]

Is taking both in powder form alright? And I'm actually planning to stop fin to try this, I'm diffuse in the hairline/crown area, can you see visual improvements within a few months? Or do you have to wait a year (If it works, that is

[Cob984]

im just using regular holand * barrett msm, 750 mg, eating 10-12 tabs a day?
this ok or i need optimsm?

[gutted]

im just using regular holand * barrett msm, 750 mg, eating 10-12 tabs a day?
this ok or i need optimsm?

optimsm is preferred but any msm should be ok as long as it is pure.

you and others need to realise things WILL get worse before they get better for those that are inhibitting dht and have recently stopped doing this. This does not in any way mean you are going bald. The hairs shed ow will come back a few months down the line so long as you start the regime a few weeks proior to stopping fin or whatever it is you are using to inhibit dht.

[gutted]

Gutted thanks for the help and continually responding people to help ...I am 27 year old NW1/NW2 ...was using nizoral for the past 6 months and have not experinced any major shedding ....I am now wiser and have made the move from all SLS shampoo etc i use an organic shampoo called sukin here are the ingredients (Aqua, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Cocoamidopropyl Betaine, Decyl Glucoside, PEG-150 Pentaerythrityl Tetrastearate, Equisetum Arvense Extract (Horsetail), Arctium Lappa Extract (Burdock), Urtica Dioica Extract (Nettle), Phenoxyethanol, Benzyl Alcohol, Citrus Tangerina (Tangerine) Peel Oil, Citrus Nobilis (Mandarin Orange) Peel Oil, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Oil, Vanilla Planifolia Extract, Citric Acid, Linalool,* Limonene)

basically i have good thiick hair ATM but experince ithcness and plus my dad is fully bald so wont to stop it before it starts ..

I just ordered Reganpure DL and and nt to replace the niz and plan on using it with MSm and VItc that i started taking last week .I read your older posts so just want to see your thoughts of this combo .I am not looking to regrow just to maintin ,


also th VIt c i order was is 100% vit c which is organic and made from wild berries instead of just the absorbic acid ( as i read you need you need the whole vit c not just absorbic acid ...any thoughts

i dont recommend niz at all, you can use it but its probable results will be affected.
I also dont recoemend any thing that inhibits dht - topical or internal. the shampoo seems to contain ingredients which have the ability to do this.

[gutted]

Did you also take Saw Palmetto at the time?

i took saw palmetto 9/10 months prior to supplementing with the tocotrieniols and inneove homme.

i was off saw palmetto for 3 months before incorporating tocotrienols and then inneove homme.

[Cob984]

i thought you said revivogen was ok? im still using that, and niz once a week
thats all the dht inhibiting im doing at the moment

i thought you recommended dropping the internal dht inhibitors immediately? i was planning on getting on the combo a month or so and then phasing them out but did it rather suddenly on your advice to let my hormone levels settle faster?
so i was wrong?

[gutted]

is it possible that I stopped shedding (even though I'm on rogaine) and itch is still present? because I feel that I shed less hair than I used to before starting MSM.

i really cant comment on your sitution since you are using rogaine. Rogaine liquid can cause irritation (i dont know about foam) for some, which can be mistaken for mpb itch. Hence why, one of the things used to gauge whether the combo is working or not is blurred by this.

[gutted]

Any brand you do/don't recommand ?

I am hesitating between :

- Nature's Way OptiMSM : http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Way-MS...0-Tablets/2488

-Vitacost "normal" MSM : http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-msm...ulfonylmethane

ive only had experience with one brand and that is doctors best and so far im happy with it, as long as the msm is pure it shouldnt really matter which msm you go for.

[gutted]

Is taking both in powder form alright? And I'm actually planning to stop fin to try this, I'm diffuse in the hairline/crown area, can you see visual improvements within a few months? Or do you have to wait a year (If it works, that is

You can take in powder or tablet form but i think i read somehwre it is better to take in powdered form than tablet.

You are on fin, you will notice drastic shedding once stopping but if you start on the msm combo 3 weeks prior to dropping fin, and start on a relativeley, reasonable high dose and then lower down over the coming months you should be able to keep what you have.
But you also you need to be aware things WILL get worse before they get better. You need to give it 3 months for you AR's and hormones to balance out/reset. Once this is achieved you will start to notice lower shed levels. After this is achieved you will notice some visual differences.

[gutted]

i thought you said revivogen was ok? im still using that, and niz once a week
thats all the dht inhibiting im doing at the moment

i thought you recommended dropping the internal dht inhibitors immediately? i was planning on getting on the combo a month or so and then phasing them out but did it rather suddenly on your advice to let my hormone levels settle faster?
so i was wrong?

no any form of inhibiting dht topical or internal is not reccomened. With topical such as keto and revivogen they may have the ability to gain systemi introduction, but is lessened because it is a topcal. To be safe it is best NOT to use any topical dht inhibitor but that is your call. Bottom line is - it is best to use NO androgen inhibition, topical or internal.

yes dropping internal dht inhibitors immediately is ok or dropping cold turkey is ok too. Fin is much more potent and it probably would be wise to phase this out, than stop cold turkey.

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i took saw palmetto 9/10 months prior to supplementing with the tocotrieniols and inneove homme.

i was off saw palmetto for 3 months before incorporating tocotrienols and then inneove homme.

Ok.

Innoev homme explicitly states it's supposed to inhibit 5ar, so i would guess your decreased libido is an effect of that supplement, rather than toco-8.

Toco-8 contains 9mg mixed plant sterols: beta-sitosterol campesterol stigmasterol. We don't even know how much of that is Beta-sis, and how much is the other two. The dose is so extremely small that I can't imagine it really accomplishing that much 5ar inhibition.

My 2 cents.