Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[new bubble]

i really have no clue wtf an itch is i have never had one
my shed is still pretty bad but more than shed and hair loss its the hair thinning, its thinning at a remarkable rate thats the concern for me

ITCH = scratchy scalp = inflamation

[Cob984]

ah ok, i have never had an itchy scalp

yes gutted i understand the rationale here, but i am really impatient and with sp i got results in 2 weeks initially i went from thinning hair to a goddam mop, though it didnt last more than 3 months,

All i am trying to do here is check who else has had the success you did on this combo to feel better about sticking with it

[gutted]

ah ok, i have never had an itchy scalp

yes gutted i understand the rationale here, but i am really impatient and with sp i got results in 2 weeks initially i went from thinning hair to a goddam mop, though it didnt last more than 3 months,

All i am trying to do here is check who else has had the success you did on this combo to feel better about sticking with it

you and me both mate! But with hairloss, you NEED to be patient. But how the results materialise are given in the thread, some will notice reduction in oil secretion within 3 weeks, if followed as directed.

I also experienced dramatic results with sp when i first used it (within 3 weeks!), it stopped my hairloss, faster hair growth and regrowth too, but this was shortlived. It doesnt last. Its the same with propecia or any sort of androgen inhibition therapy.

i dont think anyones been using it for enough time apart from a few people, so opinions are lacking.

[Cob984]

dunno about sp you maybe right on that but plenty of people on propecia are maintaining great and im talking years, you only need to look as far as other forums or other subsections of this forum itself to see that

the only reason im not on it is i know i will get the sides, how do i know this? i am also sensitive to sp so there is no logical way the same thing with probably a greater intensity wont happen on fin

[gutted]

dunno about sp you maybe right on that but plenty of people on propecia are maintaining great and im talking years, you only need to look as far as other forums or other subsections of this forum itself to see that

the only reason im not on it is i know i will get the sides, how do i know this? i am also sensitive to sp so there is no logical way the same thing with probably a greater intensity wont happen on fin

are they really maintaining or just slowing down mpb? I think it slows down the process, not stop the process, you also need to look at what else they are using - minox etc, this should imply to you that they arent really maintaining at all and felt the need to add some more "power" to thier regime.

if something as simple as SP, gave you regrowth in a matter of 3 weeks, you could have had double (even triple) the regrowth results had you taken propecia and not sp. <- this is the "regrowth period" for everyone on androgen inhibitors to achieve regrowth, which is shortlived.

But you also stated, after a while on sp (3 months?) your hair loss picked up again. - double or even triple that to 6/9 months, even 2 years on propeica -> your hair loss would have picked up again with propecia by this time. hence why i say androgen inhibition therapy is only useful in the short term for some people and others can get away with "maintaining" for 5+ years.

I would say the people who manage to maintain on propecia are in the minority

[Cob984]

any harm in soy+green tea? i drink about a glass of soymilk and 3-5 of green tea a day, should be ok right though apparently it reduces dht

[gutted]

any harm in soy+green tea? i drink about a glass of soymilk and 3-5 of green tea a day, should be ok right though apparently it reduces dht

dunno mate, it probably wont hurt.

[sizzlinghairs]

so gutted, I finally read through your first post on this thread and I didnt notice what you thought about Trx2 alone not being able to maintain your hair..


You dont think Trx2 as a standalone was doing it for you? Didnt you see shedding only after you added some stuff but then it stabilized?

[gutted]

so gutted, I finally read through your first post on this thread and I didnt notice what you thought about Trx2 alone not being able to maintain your hair..


You dont think Trx2 as a standalone was doing it for you? Didnt you see shedding only after you added some stuff but then it stabilized?

yes thats right, i was on msm on and off for other reasons, when i started trx2. I noticed when i was off it, itching would worsen when i would drop the msm hence why i think trx2 works with msm, and msm works with vitc.

[sizzlinghairs]

Thanks gutted.

One more thing. I am on my 4th day of MSM, taking around 6-9 grams everyday. My frontal hairline seems to feel and look a bit more thin.. This could also be the hairs changing texture to a softer feel.

Anyways, have you ever heard of MSM causing hairloss? Like an adverse reaction? I googled it and read a couple accounts of people actually losing hair while on MSM. I dont want to rush to conclusions but am naturally concerned.. I am also taking 1 gram of time released vit-c..

[Cob984]

wait ? this is exactly what has happened to me, i thought this was shedding but now not so sure, my front hairline has thinned dramatically directly coinciding with msm use about a month ago

[gutted]

Thanks gutted.

One more thing. I am on my 4th day of MSM, taking around 6-9 grams everyday. My frontal hairline seems to feel and look a bit more thin.. This could also be the hairs changing texture to a softer feel.

Anyways, have you ever heard of MSM causing hairloss? Like an adverse reaction? I googled it and read a couple accounts of people actually losing hair while on MSM. I dont want to rush to conclusions but am naturally concerned.. I am also taking 1 gram of time released vit-c..

no i havent heard of or noticed this effect.
It could be mpb progression or the other stuff you are using, fin etc

As your probably aware, i believe androgen inhibition, not only does it not stop (it delays) hairloss for a majority of people but actually fuels mpb over time (this time varies amongst individuals), although its not scientific fact that this is the case, but a hair count drop has been witnessed in fin studies.

This is why i say, personally, this regime works best without any sort of androgen inhibition, be it fin or keto. (Keto can gain systemic access and cause similar sides as fin) or any green tea/soy combo that affects androgen levels in any way.

My point in reiterating this is that, should you be using this combo along with fin etc and hoping for visible regrowth/maintenance then its a wasted effort.

[gutted]

wait ? this is exactly what has happened to me, i thought this was shedding but now not so sure, my front hairline has thinned dramatically directly coinciding with msm use about a month ago

guys, THIS example here, is exactly what i mean by blurred results/testimonials and keeping things standardised when trialling, else, its pretty pointless in knowing what is working and what is not. I see the same scenario through out hair loss forums.

Cob984 has recentley dropped saw palmetto, and has already stated he was losing hair whilst still on it. This is the reason why his hairlines is taking a hit.

Sizzling is on fin and other stuff, which imo, without a doubt in my mind is affecting his results, and now 1 + 1 = 3!

if your going to trial this, keep things standardised.

[bananana]

gutted, I can vouch positively - I'm using msm combo for over 10 days now, and I'm seeing A LOT less oil on my scalp - there is a very simple and effective test for that - scooping with a nail.

Anyways, the itch is still here, I guess I need to wait more.

HOWEVER, I found this "experiment" I think you should read, and the most interesting of all to me as this comment:

"Body can only absorb 1000mg of msm each 4 or 5 hours. So if you want to see results, two doses of 4000mg aren't good!
of those 4000mg yo have absorbed only 1000mg, so not a big study..."

Is that comment right? What do you think gutted? What is the optimal way of taking msm (in light of these new information)

Thank you

[gutted]

gutted, I can vouch positively - I'm using msm combo for over 10 days now, and I'm seeing A LOT less oil on my scalp - there is a very simple and effective test for that - scooping with a nail.

Anyways, the itch is still here, I guess I need to wait more.

HOWEVER, I found this "experiment" I think you should read, and the most interesting of all to me as this comment:

"Body can only absorb 1000mg of msm each 4 or 5 hours. So if you want to see results, two doses of 4000mg aren't good!
of those 4000mg yo have absorbed only 1000mg, so not a big study..."

Is that comment right? What do you think gutted? What is the optimal way of taking msm (in light of these new information)

Thank you

Im not sure, the person does not state what msm, he took, whethere it was optimsm or not.

The vit c is the key. There is synergy between the two. Judging from my observations,you can take all at once or spaced through out the day so long as you take it together with vitamin c. For me i take them all together and have not noticed a drop in efficacy although i see no reason why you cant take them spaced through out the day.

I cant believe he did not notice anything. Note - i highlighted the word notice, its not something that everyone can do accuratley. It probably did affect him but he wasnt aware that it did.

As for you itch, as soon as the oil output is reduced, you should see a reduction in itch, so long as you are not taking any androgen inhibitors. They work against what you are trying to achieve.

Also bear in mind, everyone has a bit of itch here and there, but the mpb itch is a very deep itch, you need to be able to differntiate between the two.