Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[TheBadger]

Been following this thread for a while with some interest for a while seen as I've pretty much ruled fin out and am not sure minox is agreeing with me, but one thing keeps bugging me.

Is there any evidence of the long term safety of MSM, especially in the kinds of doses recommended here? Haven't been able to find any anywhere. On the last page someone posted a MSM label saying 1-2 1.5g tablets a day, and earlier on in the thread someone suggested Holland and Barrett sell it, and their product pages seem to say the same thing thing - 1 to 4 750mg tablets a day with a note not to exceed this. I know it's just treated as a supplement and therefore seen as safer than traditional medications, but it's still possible to have too much of those too (Iron is the first one to mind) especially if you have to stay on the stuff indefinitely. What made you pick a figure like 9 grams to begin with?

Thanks.

[gutted]

Hey gutted, long time no talk.

So just to be clear, from the combo msm/vitc/trx2, u feel that you have seen true regrowth? Does this include the temples?


Btw, for everyone else, I have been on trx2 for some time now and its at least maintaining what I have for sure...

Yes that is what i feel, real regrowth. But unfortunatley no temple regrowth. The diffuseness throught the rest of the areas slowly began to fill in, in a few more months, i will give an update. Im pretty confident it will only get more desnser.
The regrowth potential of this combo is blocked by androgen inhibition therapy though and you will continue to shed hairs (not go bald).

[gutted]

Been following this thread for a while with some interest for a while seen as I've pretty much ruled fin out and am not sure minox is agreeing with me, but one thing keeps bugging me.

Is there any evidence of the long term safety of MSM, especially in the kinds of doses recommended here? Haven't been able to find any anywhere. On the last page someone posted a MSM label saying 1-2 1.5g tablets a day, and earlier on in the thread someone suggested Holland and Barrett sell it, and their product pages seem to say the same thing thing - 1 to 4 750mg tablets a day with a note not to exceed this. I know it's just treated as a supplement and therefore seen as safer than traditional medications, but it's still possible to have too much of those too (Iron is the first one to mind) especially if you have to stay on the stuff indefinitely. What made you pick a figure like 9 grams to begin with?

Thanks.

msm is pretty much harmless in high quantities.
You can take anything between 3 to 9 (even 12 grams) for hair loss. You can start off on a low dose 3 grams per day, work your way up to 9grams stay there for 1 or 2 months and then lower down to a maintenance dose of 3 or 6 grams per day and stay there. 6 is a safer bet.

for your refernce -> http://www.msmguide.com/facts/faq/#eleven

[sizzlinghairs]

so no action at all on the temples?? uhg not even slight growth when inspected closeley? How much loss on your hairline/temples do you have?

[gutted]

so no action at all on the temples?? uhg not even slight growth when inspected closeley? How much loss on your hairline/temples do you have?

no im a norwood 2.

I did notice signs of frontal/centre hairline regrowth a few months back before i added a few other supplements to my regime which caused me to shed in this region. Im confident in 6 months i can give you a more solid update on this.

The crown and mid section is doing good, i think i have about 60% of the original density here since starting.

[ammin]

The crown and mid section is doing good, i think i have about 60% of the original density here since starting.

I don't understand. I thought once you go on the MSM/Vit C combo. Even if you dont add TRX 2 you will maintain your original density. Are you saying you have lost 40% density since starting the above regimen?

[gutted]

I don't understand. I thought once you go on the MSM/Vit C combo. Even if you dont add TRX 2 you will maintain your original density. Are you saying you have lost 40% density since starting the above regimen?

i meant regrowth from trx2 since starting it, i have gained back 60% of density in the crown/mid section which was lost to mpb.

i refer to 100% density as density pre MPB(the density you have before you go bald) not baseline density since starting treatment.

[ammin]

Gutted is it ok for me to take Creatine. I believe it doesnt cause hair loss but would like to hear your thoughts.

I take 2 grams a day 4 days a week.

[gutted]

Gutted is it ok for me to take Creatine. I believe it doesnt cause hair loss but would like to hear your thoughts.

I take 2 grams a day 4 days a week.

wouldnt reccomend it -> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313

[Cob984]

gutted mate,
i was just going through the trx2 website and I see no mention of MSM, on the contrary i found posts recommending the use of nizoral, saw palmetto and nettle

anyway, i am on week 4 on msm/vitC, and week 1 of trx2,
I dropped my saw palmetto intake to 150 mg a day and still using revivogen topically. The reduction in saw palmetto dosage has led to my hair taking a beating, its thinning like crazy and i am fretting on whether to get back to 320mg but so far am holding firm,
this better improve or i am going to weep

[gutted]

gutted mate,
i was just going through the trx2 website and I see no mention of MSM, on the contrary i found posts recommending the use of nizoral, saw palmetto and nettle

anyway, i am on week 4 on msm/vitC, and week 1 of trx2,
I dropped my saw palmetto intake to 150 mg a day and still using revivogen topically. The reduction in saw palmetto dosage has led to my hair taking a beating, its thinning like crazy and i am fretting on whether to get back to 320mg but so far am holding firm,
this better improve or i am going to weep

i will look for it, i think i recollect it being posted on one of the blog posts. I will post the link if i find it, in this thread.

Like i said many times, androgen inhibition therapy is pointless in this regime. If your going to follow it with androgen inhibition therapy, do so at your own risk, it only works without any androgen inhibition therapy of any kind, topical or internal.

If you do decide to quit SP, you will have to wait 6 weeks to 3 months when your hormone levels and Androgen receptors "reset" before you notice any improvement. Ive been through this process with SP and can confirm this occurs. Stay on the regime (after quittting sp) and you will regain "shedded" hair in 3 to 6 months.

[Cob984]

i am trying not to quit sp cold turkey, been on it for almost a year now, think ill stay with the topical for the near future

it would be easier for me to make a decision if my hair wasnt worsening on a weekly basis but it is and i am scared

[sizzlinghairs]

Cob, try picking up some xtra strength scalpicin with 1% Hydrocortisone in it.

Hydrocort has been shown to actually spur regrowth in some and greatly helps with inflammation, which is a main source of shedding

[gutted]

it would be easier for me to make a decision if my hair wasnt worsening on a weekly basis but it is and i am scared

yes it may help if you ween off it rather than quit cold turkey.

There is only one reason why hair loss would "appear" to worsen - and i think i wrote why in this thread in the first posts.

To me it looks like saw palmetto may have helped you for a short period of time and lead you to believe it stopped/slowed your hair loss...and you stuck with it, but this never lasts. take it from me. Androgen inhibition is the very wrong way of treating mpb.

You are better off dropping it, but thats a decision for you to make.

[Cob984]

yea i will hopefully get the courage to do it seenm

in any case you did mention that even with dht inhibitors, i might not see noticeable results with the trx2 combo but thats about it right, it wont worsen?

also what do u make of the trx2 website itself endorsing niz, sp, etc?