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  • gutted
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 1397

    Originally posted by Irishamerica
    Thanks ..Yeah I started the MSM combo 2 weeks before and after 2 weeks i noticed at the end of the work day my head is greasy because i have oily skin...since being on the combo the oil prodcution in my face has really dried up . I get mild acne when i come off my proactiv which i have been using since i was 18 (now 26) ..I think i might be finally ready to come off the proactiv becauseof this combo because before i started the combo if i missed a day of proactiv i would get realy greasy and spots would appear ...since the combo none of that ...I believe this is has also led to the reduce itch on my head ....only been about a month but so far so good .....i am not looking to grow new hair just maintan hope it continues
    good to hear. Yes i beleive it should help other androgen mediated disorders too.
    Stick with it you should be able to maintain. I find that when the msm/vitc is dropped the increased oil secretion and itch returns.

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    • gutted
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 1397

      Originally posted by Jcm800
      Hmm, my head is itching again and I've got dandruff which had cleared up back.

      Still shedding mildly, I'm using tgel and have been for a while, tempted to have a single wash with keto again just to clear it up
      how long has it been since you dropped the keto?

      also how much of the msm are you taking?

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      • Jcm800
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 2614

        Originally posted by gutted
        how long has it been since you dropped the keto?

        also how much of the msm are you taking?
        Dropped the keto around 4 wks ago.

        I take 5 msm caps am and 4 pm along with 3 trx and vit c powder. Been on that a couple of months approximately

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        • gutted
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 1397

          Originally posted by Jcm800
          Dropped the keto around 4 wks ago.

          I take 5 msm caps am and 4 pm along with 3 trx and vit c powder. Been on that a couple of months approximately
          shouldnt really use the keto again, and let things balance out. But if you want to, thats up to you.

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          • Jcm800
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 2614

            Originally posted by gutted
            shouldnt really use the keto again, and let things balance out. But if you want to, thats up to you.
            I'll ride it out unless it gets unbearable, I have used a thickening shampoo a few times as well, may have caused the dandruff. I'll leave that out and see what happens.

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            • gutted
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 1397

              Originally posted by Jcm800
              I'll ride it out unless it gets unbearable, I have used a thickening shampoo a few times as well, may have caused the dandruff. I'll leave that out and see what happens.
              i doubt it would be the thickening shampoo.
              If your hair gets too dry, it may appear limp and dry. This may give you some dry dandruff. you should use a good conditioner.

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              • Jcm800
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 2614

                Originally posted by gutted
                i doubt it would be the thickening shampoo.
                If your hair gets too dry, it may appear limp and dry. This may give you some dry dandruff. you should use a good conditioner.

                Yeah probably a good move as my hair is quite shaggy now-certainly grows quick these days, where I'm not losing it. can you recommend a high street conditioner mate?

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                • Irishamerica
                  Junior Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 20

                  Or any good thicking shampoos (sls free of course)?

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                  • gutted
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1397

                    Originally posted by Jcm800
                    Yeah probably a good move as my hair is quite shaggy now-certainly grows quick these days, where I'm not losing it. can you recommend a high street conditioner mate?
                    i cant remember the name of the one i use off the top of my head. i will get the name of it tomorrow and post. Any good one should be ok though.

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                    • gutted
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 1397

                      Originally posted by Irishamerica
                      Or any good thicking shampoos (sls free of course)?
                      i think the one ive been using recently is a volumising conditioner, have no idea if its sls free though.

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                      • Irishamerica
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 20

                        When i was 21 i started recdeding with slight edevil horbns but my is like aston kutchers so it can cover it up ..I am now 26 and still have the same hair as than . I have bee smoking weed since i was that age . I have a decreased libido because of the weed ( i reckon) ..Do you reckon this has slowed down my hairloss ?just thorwing it out there

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                        • gutted
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1397

                          Originally posted by Irishamerica
                          When i was 21 i started recdeding with slight edevil horbns but my is like aston kutchers so it can cover it up ..I am now 26 and still have the same hair as than . I have bee smoking weed since i was that age . I have a decreased libido because of the weed ( i reckon) ..Do you reckon this has slowed down my hairloss ?just thorwing it out there
                          who knows -> http://cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/2001-01-5.pdf

                          THC is known to interact with the anti inflammatory protiens and enzymes that causes hair loss, so i wont discredit it.

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                          • Irishamerica
                            Junior Member
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 20

                            Originally posted by Irishamerica
                            When i was 21 i started recdeding with slight edevil horbns but my is like aston kutchers so it can cover it up ..I am now 26 and still have the same hair as than . I have bee smoking weed since i was that age . I have a decreased libido because of the weed ( i reckon) ..Do you reckon this has slowed down my hairloss ?just thorwing it out there
                            read that back sorry my spelling was all over the place was in work so typing fast ."really looks bad on weed " ha

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                            • b0urna
                              Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 43

                              Hi Guys,
                              Iv been following this forum for the past 6months now so thought its about time for me to chime in. Im 26 years old, currently a NW1.5-2, but prior to MBP thinning I had very thick hair so I can still cover most balding signs up well. All the men in my family are bald, a gene passed down from my dads side.
                              Around a year ago I started shedding hair pretty badly, talking 200 odd hairs a day (roughly, I still had alot of hair at this point and its hard to estimate), so decided to try to find a way to treat it. I started, like alot of people do, with natural remedies such vitamins (biotin, garlic pills etc). When I realised my balding was much too aggressive for these treatments, I moved to a low strengh Minoxidil (2%) and then added oral Saw Palmetto. Instantly after adding SP I noticed a massive drop in the amount of hair I was shedding in the shower, but I couldnt keep up the oral SP because of sides - red itchy areas of skin over my body, loss of libido, at one point my nipple even swelled up (no shit) causing me to drop it straight away. At this point I decided to try SP topically, and began adding it to my Minox bottles. This cut out all of the sides for me and left had all the benefits I had whilst taking it orally. After 2 months into this regime, my topical Min/SP became in-effective and I noticed my hair deteriorating.
                              It was around this point that I was browsing the forum, and noticed Gutted had created this forum topic, about combining Vit C + MSM, so I decided to go cold turkey from all other supplements/treatments and jumped aboard. I also wanted to take some medicine for muscle damage so thought bugger it, what can I lose? After dropping SP/Min I rode through a bitch of a shed, for the first 2-3 weeks I was losing hundreds of hairs a day. But then after around a month on Gutted's combo, I noticed I wasnt picking as many hairs out of my fingers every time I ran my hands through my hair, and that my scalp wasnt oily anymore. I have also recently noticed that any hairs I shed dont have a white bulb around the bottom (gutted, in a recent post of yours I heard you refer to it as 'solidified sebum', a symptom of mpb).
                              I currently take 9 grams MSM together with 4 grams vit C daily (sticking strictly to the regime Gutted saw results from). Both the Vit C and MSM I take are in powder form, I simply stir it all into a glass of water and orange squash every morning and chug it before work.
                              One thing I worry about is I currently live in the UK, but am moving to Sydeny, Australia on monday for a 3 month business trip. I plan to continue my routine abroad and will seek my MSM/Vit C as soon as I arrive. However, my girlfreind and I have booked a month holiday in New Zealand and im unsure if I will be able to take MSM on the plane/or find it in NZ.
                              Gutted, you mentioned you noticed increased shedding after dropping your combo for 7days, would I lose all benefits after a month? Also does anyone know the policy of taking medicine/vitamins in your flight luggage?
                              Anyway just wanted to pitch in to let people know im also experimenting (and seeing results) with this combo ALONE and I will continue this until it either becomes ineffective or a true cure becomes available.
                              Thanks Gutted, youve bought me some time and right now thats as precious thing.

                              Originally posted by Irishamerica
                              When i was 21 i started recdeding with slight edevil horbns but my is like aston kutchers so it can cover it up ..I am now 26 and still have the same hair as than . I have bee smoking weed since i was that age . I have a decreased libido because of the weed ( i reckon) ..Do you reckon this has slowed down my hairloss ?just thorwing it out there
                              I have been an avid ganja smoker for the past 10years, I smoke around 1-2 joints per day, it didnt stop me losing hair! Though saying that I have outlasted the other men in my family, they were all bald by my age, so maybe it has contributed. If THC is the cure, im a happy man

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                              • Irishamerica
                                Junior Member
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 20

                                Boura what shampoos are you using ? I am on both of the powder forms of the combo too. I don't have a scales in terms of teaspoons how much do u use? Also what type of Vit c are you taking is it pure Vit c or the absorbic acid kind ?

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