PGD2, betamethasone valeratel, and hair growth....

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  • bigentries
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 465

    #46
    If anyone is going to try this, please post a picture before starting treatment

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    • gutted
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 1397

      #47
      Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
      I know. I'm not sure how to go about it. Would it be okay to use it once a week? twice a week? I'm not sure how to find this out... i doubt my dermatoligist would be willing to help in a home hairloss experiment with his prescription.
      how often were those guys in the AA study use it?

      i dont think it says.

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      • gutted
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 1397

        #48



        Clinical Pharmacology

        Like other topical corticosteroids, betamethasone valerate foam has anti-inflammatory, antipruritic, and vasoconstrictive properties. The mechanism of the anti-inflammatory activity of the topical steroids, in general, is unclear. However, corticosteroids are thought to act by the induction of phospholipase A2 inhibitory proteins, collectively called lipocortins. It is postulated that these proteins control the biosynthesis of potent mediators of inflammation such as prostaglandins and leukotrienes by inhibiting the release of their common precursor arachidonic acid. Arachidonic acid is released from membrane phospholipids by phospholipase A2.

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        • 2020
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 1513

          #49
          Originally posted by gutted
          eqoul probably wont give you regrowth, rather help keep what you have.
          and why not??? bald spots are bald because excessive PGD2 that is there prevents hair from growing. What would be the natural way to eliminate it then?

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          • NeedHairASAP
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2011
            • 1408

            #50
            Originally posted by gutted
            how often were those guys in the AA study use it?

            i dont think it says.
            I'm not sure if it doesn't say



            this guy used a bunch of shit, but it may have been his use of an EGFr inhibitor (not sure which) that caused the amazing regrowth (pictures in the hyperlinked thread).


            I think there is some connections between EGFr and PGD2




            we have to figure out if these foams stop PGD2. I know that both foams that I mention in the opening post have side affects of excessive hair growth...

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            • gutted
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 1397

              #51
              Originally posted by 2020
              and why not??? bald spots are bald because excessive PGD2 that is there prevents hair from growing. What would be the natural way to eliminate it then?
              eqoul binds to dht not pgd2??

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              • 2020
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1513

                #52
                Originally posted by gutted
                eqoul binds to dht not pgd2??
                right okay but I see a bunch of threads from as early as 2004.... why did this thing die out? Why can't we come up with a theory, test it, and then declare it either true or false....

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                • NeedHairASAP
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 1408

                  #53
                  The comparison of treatment with clobetasol propionate 0.05% and topical pimecrolimus 1% treatment in the treatment of alopecia areata

                  Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...34.2011.590788

                  this journal has crazy photos.. the before after pics are mind boggling... you google if and use google images you can see.. unfortunately you have to pay for the real article.\




                  also, pimecrolimus is a PGD2 antagonist and has less side affects than cortisolsteroids like clobetasol and betamethowhatever


                  another PGD2 antagonist is cetuximab.. but i think its an intense cancer drug



                  I think pimecrollimus is the way to go. We should test this out. I'm not seeing it mentioned that it has hair growth as a side effect

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                  • gutted
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1397

                    #54
                    Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
                    The comparison of treatment with clobetasol propionate 0.05% and topical pimecrolimus 1% treatment in the treatment of alopecia areata

                    Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...34.2011.590788

                    this journal has crazy photos.. the before after pics are mind boggling... you google if and use google images you can see.. unfortunately you have to pay for the real article.\




                    also, pimecrolimus is a PGD2 antagonist and has less side affects than cortisolsteroids like clobetasol and betamethowhatever


                    another PGD2 antagonist is cetuximab.. but i think its an intense cancer drug



                    I think pimecrollimus is the way to go. We should test this out.
                    heres some more info - http://www.dermattikon.gr/magazines/...OULIS%20EN.pdf

                    i think its best to stick with the betamethasone valeratel.

                    we know hypertrichosis can be a side effect with that, with the rest of the stuff we're just guessing it could grow hair.

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                    • gutted
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 1397

                      #55
                      Originally posted by 2020
                      right okay but I see a bunch of threads from as early as 2004.... why did this thing die out? Why can't we come up with a theory, test it, and then declare it either true or false....
                      dunno, no one wants to spend time (and hair) on something that possibly may or may not work, no one wants to fool around when hair is concerned theyd rather jump on "proven" treatments that are scientifically proven.

                      thats probably why it died out.

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                      • NeedHairASAP
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 1408

                        #56
                        Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
                        The comparison of treatment with clobetasol propionate 0.05% and topical pimecrolimus 1% treatment in the treatment of alopecia areata

                        Read More: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...34.2011.590788

                        this journal has crazy photos.. the before after pics are mind boggling... you google if and use google images you can see.. unfortunately you have to pay for the real article.\




                        also, pimecrolimus is a PGD2 antagonist and has less side affects than cortisolsteroids like clobetasol and betamethowhatever


                        another PGD2 antagonist is cetuximab.. but i think its an intense cancer drug



                        I think pimecrollimus is the way to go. We should test this out. I'm not seeing it mentioned that it has hair growth as a side effect
                        pimecrolimus works












                        The prolonged treatment with potent topical steroids deserves comment. Orentreich et al (4) reported the failure of local injections of corticosteroids to induce hair growth in 50 cases of male pattern alopecia. Topical corticosteroids were unsuccessful in 40 additional patients with various causes of alopecia (4). A restoration of the normal perifollicular vascular architecture accompanies both the spontaneous regrowth and corticosteroid-induced regrowth of hair in alopecia areata (5). It is possible that the prolonged use of a potent topical steroid induced a normalization of the vascular pattern, but this seems unlikely in view of the study of Orentreich et al (4).

                        Robert L. Rietschel, MD
                        David D. Madorsky, MD
                        Brooke Army Medical Center Fort Sam Houston, Tex

                        4. Orentreich N, Sturm HM, Weidman AI, et al: Local injection of steroids and hair growth in alopecias. Arch Dermatol 82:894-902, 1960.
                        5. Popchristov P, Konstantinov A, Obreshkova E: The blood vessels of the scalp in patients with alopecia areata before and after corticosteroid therapy. Br J Dermatol 80:753-757, 1968.

                        source:http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

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                        • 2020
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 1513

                          #57
                          Originally posted by gutted
                          dunno, no one wants to spend time (and hair) on something that possibly may or may not work, no one wants to fool around when hair is concerned theyd rather jump on "proven" treatments that are scientifically proven.

                          thats probably why it died out.
                          apparently equol is not available in its "equol form" and in order to start producing you would need to consume massive amounts of soy over a long period of time...
                          I can't believe no one has tried this equol approach

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                          • 2020
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1513

                            #58
                            what the hell?

                            Through the years, Mr. Murphy has always had an active interest in health and medicine, and he originally considered going to medical school. Instead, he decided to pursue his own specific interests, including nutritional supplements that he thought might help cure his early-stage androgenic alopecia. In 2008, after thousands of hours of research and development, he succeeded in creating a formula which halted his hair loss. After verification of his novel equol-producing formula from a third party laboratory, Mr. Murphy decided to turn his project into a business.

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                            • gutted
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1397

                              #59
                              Originally posted by 2020
                              apparently equol is not available in its "equol form" and in order to start producing you would need to consume massive amounts of soy over a long period of time...
                              I can't believe no one has tried this equol approach
                              its probably the ideal solution if you are 16-18, way better than fin to help keep your hormonal profile at opitiumum levels but you wont get any real regrowth from it.

                              i think most people want major regrowth.

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                              • gutted
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 1397

                                #60
                                Originally posted by 2020
                                this is not an eqoul discussion!

                                ant inflammatories are the next best thing.

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