PGD2, betamethasone valeratel, and hair growth....

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  • NeedHairASAP
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 1408

    #16
    Originally posted by gutted
    why not?

    anti inflammatories in general grow hair, its only since the publication of dr cot's study that its being researched by us.

    the side effect of that drug is hypertrichosis - similar to what occured to the patients on benaxoprofen, an anti inflammatory.
    interesting..... unfortunately these two foams are kind of sketchy and im hesitant to use them.. especially for a prolonged period. How can I find out a safe way to go about this? My doc would probably not be comfortable giving me information on how to run a trial, for instance, using the foam every every 5 days or something...




    I honestly vividly remembering that once I had used this stuff as prescribed and my itching and scales went away that I was experiencing better hair, and possibly more hair. This is a pretty strong cortisteroidal-whatever. As I said before, I thought it was renokin, and shrugged off the passing thought that it was the foams and shampoo.....




    instructions say use twice a day, and unlike other steroid foams, it can be used for upwards of two weeks.. however there may be sides after that... but if the sides are hair growth then.... lol

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    • NeedHairASAP
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 1408

      #17
      Originally posted by gutted
      keep dreaming.
      why do you disagree with him about the scarring?

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      • gutted
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 1397

        #18
        Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
        interesting..... unfortunately these two foams are kind of sketchy and im hesitant to use them.. especially for a prolonged period. How can I find out a safe way to go about this? My doc would probably not be comfortable giving me information on how to run a trial, for instance, using the foam every every 5 days or something...
        why are they sketchy?
        they have a proven safety profile and alopecia areata pateints have used it without any ill effects.

        it should be ok.

        i think you should publich this on *** forum for some of those people to experiment with it.

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        • gutted
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 1397

          #19
          Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
          why do you disagree with him about the scarring?
          i agree with him that its non scarring up until nw4 AFTER that it begins to turn scarring.

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          • 2020
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1513

            #20
            I can't find any studies where it says that betamethasone decreases PGD2 however it would make sense as it is anti-inflammatory... idk what to think of this. One bottle is like $25. someone should try it I guess

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            • 2020
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 1513

              #21
              Originally posted by gutted
              i agree with him that its non scarring up until nw4 AFTER that it begins to turn scarring.
              lol yeah so when your hairline goes past a certain number of inches it then goes into "scarring mode"? What if you're destined to be NW4 and stay there for 20 years? Do those follicles in NW1-4 area become scarred after time? how does this make sense. Explain yourself

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              • gutted
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 1397

                #22
                Originally posted by NeedHairASAP



                I honestly vividly remembering that once I had used this stuff as prescribed and my itching and scales went away that I was experiencing better hair, and possibly more hair. This is a pretty strong cortisteroidal-whatever. As I said before, I thought it was renokin, and shrugged off the passing thought that it was the foams and shampoo.....




                instructions say use twice a day, and unlike other steroid foams, it can be used for upwards of two weeks.. however there may be sides after that... but if the sides are hair growth then.... lol
                dude you are being brainwashed by mainstream views, that are outdated, you need to think out of the box as to what baldness is.

                renokin did not give you that growth, its most likeley the other thing you were doing.

                im 1000% confident regrowth can be achived on bald scalp, it just takes time and dedciation and anti inflamatories.

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                • NeedHairASAP
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 1408

                  #23
                  Originally posted by gutted
                  why are they sketchy?
                  they have a proven safety profile and alopecia areata pateints have used it without any ill effects.

                  it should be ok.

                  i think you should publich this on *** forum for some of those people to experiment with it.
                  read up on side effects and the precautions of use for both foams. I know they always put the worst case scenario, but I'm not comfortable starting this tonight... sorry guys. A little more research.

                  Gutted, I'm not a member there, but feel free to "publish" my "findings" yourself lol... just properly cite me... academic honesty and all right?

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                  • NeedHairASAP
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 1408

                    #24
                    Originally posted by 2020
                    lol yeah so when your hairline goes past a certain number of inches it then goes into "scarring mode"? What if you're destined to be NW4 and stay there for 20 years? Do those follicles in NW1-4 area become scarred after time? how does this make sense. Explain yourself
                    this is the question I also thought his view raised

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                    • 2020
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1513

                      #25
                      what EXACTLY were you taking that period of time when you experienced regrowth?

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                      • NeedHairASAP
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 1408

                        #26
                        Originally posted by 2020
                        what EXACTLY were you taking that period of time when you experienced regrowth?

                        Renokin and these foams and shampoos... I used the foams and shampoos on and off as itching came and went. However, I used renokin spray and shampoo for maybe 3-6 months. It was really good results.. until the foams stopped... aka obviously it was the foam (I know this gutted, I was implying that, at the time, I had guessed at an improper causation.. this was well before PGD2 was implicated)

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                        • NeedHairASAP
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 1408

                          #27
                          Originally posted by gutted
                          dude you are being brainwashed by mainstream views, that are outdated, you need to think out of the box as to what baldness is.

                          renokin did not give you that growth, its most likeley the other thing you were doing.

                          im 1000% confident regrowth can be achived on bald scalp, it just takes time and dedciation and anti inflamatories.
                          dude, thinking outside the box about baldness doesn't mean I should take a steroid for more than two weeks straight, or dosing once a week for a year, or whatever. i dont know shit about these foams, other than they, for whatever reason, think the company could be held liable if they suggest it be used for more than two weeks.

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                          • 2020
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1513

                            #28
                            Originally posted by gutted
                            im 1000% confident regrowth can be achived on bald scalp, it just takes time and dedciation and anti inflamatories.
                            well then why don't you start taking some anti-inflammatories and grow some hair already?

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                            • gutted
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1397

                              #29
                              Originally posted by 2020
                              lol yeah so when your hairline goes past a certain number of inches it then goes into "scarring mode"? What if you're destined to be NW4 and stay there for 20 years? Do those follicles in NW1-4 area become scarred after time? how does this make sense. Explain yourself
                              2020, im not going to have this conversation with you again, baldness is not predetermined.



                              if you can see vellus follicles in your hairline, you are safe, there is no scarring. if you cant see a single vellus follcile, it is scarred deep inside your scalp.

                              if you are nw4 and stay there for 20 years it means you have unintentionaly prevented further damage/or your hormonal profile is balanced - that is why you are still at nw4.

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                              • gutted
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 1397

                                #30
                                Originally posted by NeedHairASAP
                                dude, thinking outside the box about baldness doesn't mean I should take a steroid for more than two weeks straight, or dosing once a week for a year, or whatever. i dont know shit about these foams, other than they, for whatever reason, think the company could be held liable if they suggest it be used for more than two weeks.

                                looool.

                                its a risk some people are willing to take.

                                that foam is used for seb derm, im sure you have seb derm, every untreated balding person has seb derm.

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