Is HASCI for real?

[Kiwi]

Didnt you look at the update foto from gcuk83?

You can clearly see 2 hair grafts sprouting

Nope. Ummm do you have a direct link to that update? (I'll look myself but could be handy to post here for quick access in future )

[Kiwi]

Ok bugger. I just cant find it...

[Tracy C]

I will probably need one of these future treatments to get my preferred density, but I don't plan on seeing any of these before 2016.

This is where I am right now. I am very happy with what my hair restoration doctor has been able to do for me. I have a complete head of hair now, but it is very fine. My hair line is a perfect reconstruction of what I had before hair loss ruined my life, but I don't have the density I want.

I am sorry there isnt much more to say :-)

There in lies the problem. A lot of talk, but only a couple of "after" photos. Some references to a handful of "celebrities" I've never heard of, but no "before and after photos". At the very least a girl needs to see before and after photos. At the very least a girl needs to see some post op photos two or three years after.

Try to imagine what it would be like to convince a woman you know that she would need to shave her head to get the results she wants. And do so without providing any proof that the results have any chance of being what is promised... That is really reaching.

I now understand why doctors in the U.S. are not in a big hurry to write out a very big check to Dr. Gho to learn his technique.

[NeedHairASAP]

One more thing. Regrowing your own hair is more natural then putting a blade to your head and transplanting hairs.

I meant the process (of coming from one hair to two hairs) not the procedure

putting a foreign (albeit autologous) chemical into your body to regrow hair is more natural than using zero chemicals and allowing you're own skin to multiply hair?

I want an injection that grows your hair back efficiently and without cancer as much as the next bald guy, but none of these companies seem that confident they will offer this.

Name one company that isn't still experimenting. There isn't a single company with an awesome protocol that they are just waiting to get through the FDA. All of them are still testing different methods. This alone could take ages, never mind after they get everything set in stone they have to get through the FDA.

I mean whats our best option from these guys? replicel? with 50% addition in hair in theory? and not even supposedly tested yet on humans? come on guys. Everyone is saying they are close to the panacea but nobody is confident enough to say they are there yet.


All I'm saying is

1. Gho shouldn't be dismissed

2. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for some selfless cosmetic surgeon to give HSt the okay. At this point, there is enough demand for FUT and FUE, so it's more cost effective for most surgeons to just bash Gho and continue to scoop up patients. until we see demand for and awareness of HST rise, and demand for FUT and FUE drop, HST's spread will be slow. Saldy, this is the way the world often works.

[NeedHairASAP]

There in lies the problem. A lot of talk, but only a couple of "after" photos. Some references to a handful of "celebrities" I've never heard of, but no "before and after photos".



I now understand why doctors in the U.S. are not in a big hurry to write out a very big check to Dr. Gho to learn his technique.

please stop with the jabs at these people not being celebrity enough for you. One guy won the european american idol, another the tour de france, and one is literally a world famous soccer player known in almost every country but the united states.

Do you really expect to have "heard of" any dutch celebrities? Do you think the dutch don't have celebrities? Dutch celebrities are a myth? I really don't get it.

Also, nobody on this forum cares about convincing you of Gho. There are several photos on his website that are not stunning, but they are also no 6,000 graft cases. Most of the before after photos are people who have had less than 2,000 grafts. Also, He has close up photos of regeneration in his latest peer reviewed paper (page 4)... its on his website under scientific publications, along with four or five papers that show the scientific progression of the HST method.

and lastly, you're right, doctors are not in a rush. I'm wondering if it's 50,000 dollars upfront, or 50,000 for a franchise license... where you pay annual franchise fees etc.-- this could also be whats slowing the spread of HST down.


personally, I like that Gho does small sessions. The idea behind it makes perfect sense. Getting 6000 holes punched in the back of your scalp and then 6000 in the front of your scalp is traumatic and I believe him that small sessions really do make a difference in yield, recovery, and regeneration. It sounds like common sense... I trust Gho who helps burn victims over rassman who.... gives scalp tatoos

[RichardDawkins]

The picture or the link is in one of my latest postings here

And nope Tracy i dont wanna convice you either, its up to anyone else hatshe or he does or wanna do.

At least in my world, i dont wanna have a linear scar at the back of my head, nor do i wannahave shotgun holes or punch grafts, but thats just my preference.

If i had to stick with one doc right now besides Gho,it would be Cole or Cooley but only if he can guarantee me someting with his plucked hairs cause i dont wanna FUT.

And thats it, pretty damn sad for a business where those three docs only make less then 1% of all hair transplant surgeons worldwide.

As long as people rush to get FUT, we wont see a change. But at least people are more demanding FUE over FUT, this is at least a good start

[RichardDawkins]

Also you can take a look at this blog

http://hairmultiplicationnews.wordpress.com/

[NeedHairASAP]

Also you can take a look at this blog

http://hairmultiplicationnews.wordpress.com/

ha, this is your blog dawkins. I can tell from the bad english.

"Informations", in your title, should be singular-- information.

[Tracy C]

please stop with the jabs at these people not being celebrity enough for you.

You are missing the point. It seems like to might actually be hiding from the point.

...but no "before and after photos". At the very least a girl needs to see before and after photos. At the very least a girl needs to see some post op photos two or three years after.

^ This is the point.

I am not dismissing Dr. Gho, but no one has offered any hard evidence. Not even Dr. Gho himself. For this technique to catch on, there needs to be hard evidence.

[Tracy C]

And nope Tracy i dont wanna convice you either...

It has to start somewhere...

[RichardDawkins]

But this i definitely not my agenda, sorry. All i can do is follow the science and thats it.

Its up to anyone else what he/she is going to do with the available informations. Facts are that donor regenration is not a high tech idea with now science backup.

Some FUE clinics git this covered on a small scale before Gho for example but it wasnt consistent.

As you can see with Dr Cole, he also has some regrowth but it varies. And variation is nothing what you can sell people. People want a definitely NUMBER

[Tracy C]

I read stuff on this forum but still confused...

Six pages and still no answer to your concern.

[RichardDawkins]

Then read the scientific papers didi read them and take some time with them.

Hair regeneration is actually not a miracle per se, but until now it wasnt that much in the focus of attention. With cosmetical surgeries becoming more and more popular, its of course natural that people get into hair regeneration as well.

Just take a look at the time line, this all started around 2001/2002 and before that people didnt even know anything about stem cells.

In the near future a full head of hair will be along the lines of liposuction etc. For example FIn and Minox are very primitive accidental discoveries and they can regrow on a very small scale and stop hair loss.

And now do your math, if those topical and oral things can help mildly but they can held, what can a root oriented approach do? Yes it can reverse hair loss.

Also this 20% figure people are pised about, is actually 2 stps on the NW scale, for example NW7 to NW5 etc.
Of course a lot of shit can be grown on mice we all know that, but to grow hair on areas where even under abnormal circumstances no hair would gow like mice feet etc, you can pretty much say that the key to a cell solution is almost done.

And those cell based approaches are also aiming for a hair loss stop which will become pretty much the thing after injections, even Histogen with their early primitive protocoll got this covered.

Thats btw one of the reasons why gho is doing and experimenting with HSI, because this is less time consuming, faster and can be an automated process.

Hair regeneration and to get a full head of hair is not impossible like rasman and his homies always wanted to make believe.

[NeedHairASAP]

I am not dismissing Dr. Gho, but no one has offered any hard evidence. Not even Dr. Gho himself. For this technique to catch on, there needs to be hard evidence.

Okay, for the last time....everybody please listen...

GHO HAS CLOSE UP PHOTOGRAPHS OF EXTRACTED SITES REGENERATING in his latest peer reviewed paper-- evidence doesn't get much harder. click the link, page 4

The close up photos are harder evidence for Gho than before after photos. Armani has many macro before and after photos that look good enough that he could claim he regenerates hair... he could easily lie to somebody like you who thinks that type of photography is evidence of regeneration.



Also, compare the photos on Gho's site with other cases of patients getting less than 2000 grafts and you'll notice he is on par with everyone else as far as results. But if you want real hard evidence that backs his claim of regeneration... read the papers-- read something.





If some massively rich guy got treatments every year since HST was available, and he went every successive year as soon as his donor was eligible again... we would just now in the next year or so be able to see his nw7 to nw1 transformation.... do the math....

also, this person would not only have had to economize his time perfectly over the years but would have to be willing to have his face posted in before and after photos all over the internet.... not something I would do in his shoes.... if he exists








the guy posts peer reviewed articles with close up photos of regeneration and everybody just keeps yelling about how he has no evidence...I can see why Gho is frustrated and somewhat gave up trying to convince people via this forum medium

[Follicle Death Row]

I think this could be real (I hope so anyway). I will believe it truly when I see say 8000 grafts atop a former norwood 6 with a full looking donor. 4 years to do it. Let's see it.