Is HASCI for real?

[nrj]

Yes i know...maybe is an economical theory and also to save the donor regeneration....but for the people like me that will be NW6 at least, we must to wait at least 3 or 4 years to fill all the pattern by procedures of 1400-1600....is really little grafts for us....
I hope Gho do to me 2000 grafts in May...
Thanks

Hey damielmillo, i think he does up to 2300 grafts per session depending on certain factors, but you should be good to go, just book an appointment ASAP, because he is quite booked up.

[damielmillo]

Yes, i have date for 15 May. I am in another continet so he only see my hair by pictures and say the same to all...that he recommend to me 1400-1600 grafts.
But i will need more... i hope he can do to me at least 2000 grafts. and then i another 9 months 2000 more

[gc83uk]

Hi Damiel,

Well I didn't see your message before I went to see Gho, so I didn't ask those questions sorry.

I left the follow appointment up a little confused tbh. I asked for my next procedure to be bigger than the previous 700 I had, but he told me that he wants me to do smaller procedures because of the labour intensity of HSI.

I should have queried this much more and asked why HSI is more labour intensive than HST, I would have thought the other way around.

I asked him if I could have 700 on day 1 and a further 700 on day 2, he is going to discuss this with his colleagues and get back to me in a few days to a week with an answer.

I was also really gutted that I can't have the procedure until the 27th of August, unless a cancellation comes in.

Damiel, are you having your procedure in London on 15th May?

[damielmillo]

I will have the procedur the 15 may in Amsterdam Clinic.
I will discuse with Gho and ask him if i can have more than the 1600 grafts that he recommend to me. I am 25 years old and future NW6 so i will need a lot of grafts, and i want to use a really really short cut. maybe #1 so i will expect more grafts...we will see....
Did he check your donor area? Tell us a little more what he said to you and your impressions.
thanks

[gc83uk]

I will have the procedur the 15 may in Amsterdam Clinic.
I will discuse with Gho and ask him if i can have more than the 1600 grafts that he recommend to me. I am 25 years old and future NW6 so i will need a lot of grafts, and i want to use a really really short cut. maybe #1 so i will expect more grafts...we will see....
Did he check your donor area? Tell us a little more what he said to you and your impressions.
thanks

He confirmed the donor area looked great and the regrowth has already taken place, which is exactly as I thought. He was really happy with the recipient area too, confirming that it looks great especially with it only being 4 months.

I also touched on the density questions, but it was hard getting him to tell me exactly what I wanted to hear. So in the end I said am I looking to get about 30 grafts per square cm? He confirmed that's the case... He then elaborated that he wants to cover the scarred alopecia area completely first and later on increase the density, instead of going with a bigger density right from the beginning.

I wish I would have asked: after we have covered the scarred area, what is the highest density with perfect donor we can potentially reach. I don't think I will be completely happy with just 50 per cm2.

[Kiwi]

He confirmed the donor area looked great and the regrowth has already taken place, which is exactly as I thought. He was really happy with the recipient area too, confirming that it looks great especially with it only being 4 months.

I also touched on the density questions, but it was hard getting him to tell me exactly what I wanted to hear. So in the end I said am I looking to get about 30 grafts per square cm? He confirmed that's the case... He then elaborated that he wants to cover the scarred alopecia area completely first and later on increase the density, instead of going with a bigger density right from the beginning.

I wish I would have asked: after we have covered the scarred area, what is the highest density with perfect donor we can potentially reach. I don't think I will be completely happy with just 50 per cm2.

Did you get any photos of the donor?

[Follicle Death Row]

He confirmed the donor area looked great and the regrowth has already taken place, which is exactly as I thought. He was really happy with the recipient area too, confirming that it looks great especially with it only being 4 months.

I also touched on the density questions, but it was hard getting him to tell me exactly what I wanted to hear. So in the end I said am I looking to get about 30 grafts per square cm? He confirmed that's the case... He then elaborated that he wants to cover the scarred alopecia area completely first and later on increase the density, instead of going with a bigger density right from the beginning.

I wish I would have asked: after we have covered the scarred area, what is the highest density with perfect donor we can potentially reach. I don't think I will be completely happy with just 50 per cm2.

I think you'd be pretty happy with 50 but we all want more in an ideal world. May I ask how did they analyse your donor? Was it just visual inspection by the naked eye or how exactly? Thanks for your time.

[gc83uk]

No I didn't get any photos of the donor from Gho, his inspection was just from the naked eye, nothing scientific whatsoever.

I know that isn't good enough for the critics out there. I think we would be far better at evaluating a patient that has shaved their head, from what I understand the regrowth happens 1-2 weeks after the procedure.

[didi]

Is he going to open any new clinics worldwide anytime soon, he was talking about it in an interview with Spencer and that was 6 monts ago or so.
He is so booked out, waiting period sucks big time plus there is period beween sessions of 9 months at least, he needs more clinics to meet demand.
also they are so slow in replying emails, need to do something to improve efficiency.
Im thinking to give them a call but im not sure if im going to end up talking to some salesperson or actual doc/tech.

[damielmillo]

There is only 1 dr in HASCI that speak english i think.... she is MARLEEN...you can call and talk with her...i think their webpage and marketing is not so good...
They are not salesman... they donīt update the webpage, etc...but the important is that the treatment works...
I want less charlatans and more low profile clinics but with results.
Bye!!

[gc83uk]

No that isn't quite right, Marleen is just the secretary from my understanding. Dr Coen Gho is the only doctor and he speaks English as does Marleen, although I've never met Marleen whilst being in London.

The technicians which did the procedure speak little English, but if you speak slowly enough, then you can have a conversation, so it's not a problem.

The only problem I have now is the waiting time of 9 months between procedures and the time I have to wait until my next procedure in August. If anyone has a procedure in May for London and wishes they had booked it a few months later then I'd happily swap with you, not much chance of that though is there lol.

And Didi, yes the time it takes to receive a reply from an email feels like an age. Not ideal at all.

[damielmillo]

Sorry, you are right. Marleen is the assistant who reply the emails.
They can take some days to reply the emails jeje.
I will have the procedure in Amsterdam in May, and the same day i will date the second procedure 9 months later...i donīt want to wait anymore...i know there is a lot of demand of HST.

[nrj]

No that isn't quite right, Marleen is just the secretary from my understanding. Dr Coen Gho is the only doctor and he speaks English as does Marleen, although I've never met Marleen whilst being in London.

The technicians which did the procedure speak little English, but if you speak slowly enough, then you can have a conversation, so it's not a problem.

The only problem I have now is the waiting time of 9 months between procedures and the time I have to wait until my next procedure in August. If anyone has a procedure in May for London and wishes they had booked it a few months later then I'd happily swap with you, not much chance of that though is there lol.

And Didi, yes the time it takes to receive a reply from an email feels like an age. Not ideal at all.

Hey GC, have been reading your posts for quite a while now and i wish you success with your plan, just wanna ask :

has it been 9 months since your last procedure?
how many procedures are thinking of doing and how many grafts do you think it takes to produce a person with a very good density and a good hairline? ( i know it depends but roughly)

Im 19 and may not have mpb but thinning cos of stress.
Dr.Gho told me he wouldnt operate until it got alot worse and that it wasnt stress loss.
I want to fix my hairline and thicken up my hair anyway and have procedures asap so it will save me incase i have MPB and thickening up wont be any harm if its just a maturing hairline.
What do you think i should do? Thanks.

[gc83uk]

Hi Nrj,

I had my procedure in September, so technically I can't have my 2nd procedure until June anyway, because of personal commitments that I have at that time of year, the earliest I could schedule was August 2012.

On my first procedure I had 700, I'm hoping for at least 1200 grafts on the 2nd. My soul reason for going to Gho was for the donor regeneration because I'm on the low side in the donor for what I require to cover up scarred area, which is probably 5000-6000 grafts total. I can probably get a density of 30 grafts per sq cm another 3000 grafts, but I'll be hoping for a better density than that, I haven't done all the maths yet, but maybe 50 grafts per cm sq will look fine, I'm new to all this as well and I don't have the answers when it comes to density sorry.

The best advice I can give you is, don't give up just because one Dr has said No. From what I can gather Gho prefers the more challenging types of hairloss patients. Where are you from? Maybe you should post some pics too.

[nrj]

Hi Nrj,

I had my procedure in September, so technically I can't have my 2nd procedure until June anyway, because of personal commitments that I have at that time of year, the earliest I could schedule was August 2012.

On my first procedure I had 700, I'm hoping for at least 1200 grafts on the 2nd. My soul reason for going to Gho was for the donor regeneration because I'm on the low side in the donor for what I require to cover up scarred area, which is probably 5000-6000 grafts total. I can probably get a density of 30 grafts per sq cm another 3000 grafts, but I'll be hoping for a better density than that, I haven't done all the maths yet, but maybe 50 grafts per cm sq will look fine, I'm new to all this as well and I don't have the answers when it comes to density sorry.

The best advice I can give you is, don't give up just because one Dr has said No. From what I can gather Gho prefers the more challenging types of hairloss patients. Where are you from? Maybe you should post some pics too.

im from london and he said he wouldnt operate on me because im not even a norwood 1 yet and there was a chance i wouldnt go bald at all, since my father has a full head of hair and was present during the consultation. I swear if i look at my dads hair its thin in exactly the same areas as mine and is alot more receeded, so i have quite a way to go and my hair hasnt receeded for quite a while its just the thin hair that annoys me, its getting thin atm, but he said the side density was the same as the top - indicating stress loss and he said he could see the hair growing back. The thing is, stress is not a problem for except the effects it has on my body.

I think after a certain amount of stress loss, there wont be any more ( I Hope ), either way im not really bogged down about my hair anymore knowing i can achieve a good density of hair ( i think 50 per cm2 is good enough) you will realise this when you achieve it. If money is the only problem its not a problem. + if i do have mpb i dont think i will have lose too much by the time the cures are out (histogen, replicel etc..)

I havent booked another consultation yet (i live in london) and i have an appointment with my local dermatologist to get another opinion and i'll book an appointment from there, the problem is i think dr.gho is going back to netherlands in the summer? so i want to have a consultation and book a date soon.

About your 700 + 700 graft thing being too labour intensive, i dont understand that, so what if its labour intensive, does he mean he wants to do them on seperate dates, please clarify, thanks !