2015 outlook.

[Swooping]

Interesting links Swooping, will definiely read them when I have the time. I'm really an average Joe when it comes to science, so when I first glanced through the articles you posted I was pretty surprised.

Do you work in this field? You seem to know quite a lot about the whole scene.

Do you mean the one I just posted; http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicin...l.pmed.0020124 ?

Check on the right you can find way more studies related to the subject. I wish I had read those beforehand reading studies. Eventually I found out myself. Bottom line is that hypotheses fail incredibly often. Findings are often false. Bias is prominent very often. Contradictions occur often.

Why the hell would we believe the PGD2 theory? What because someone has a hypothesis with 0 factual real proof? Look at how he runs his mouth; “2 millions for a treatment better than minoxidil & propecia” lmao. Just think about that statement. Do you seriously believe that? Or that he has a full blown out cure but it needs 20 millions to come to fruition? Man if it really were to be true his house would be loaded with hundreds of people looking to invest into him lol.

What evidence is there for the PGD2 hypothesis? An in vitro (in a petri dish) hair follicle model which shows that the hair follicle stops elongating by administering PGD2? Well it stops elongating by administering DHT, TGF-B, P53, DKK-1 and some other molecules too.

Or perhaps we should take faith in Follicept, in a rat model which shows that IGF-1 does better than minoxidil? Well if that is the case then go start buying procyanidin b-2 as it outperforms minoxidil by 300% in a rat model in terms of growth. Or some herbal preparations.

I’ll tell you scroll back in this forum. You’ll see the same thing occurring over and over again with 100 treatments. It’s hilarious. When you actually ask them for any real evidence, those dreamers can never reply. They’ll give you a rat model, an in vitro model or better they’ll say this; “BUT COTSARELIS IS BEHIND IT!” “BUT A PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY PUMPS MILLIONS IN IT”. We see how it goes; finasteride & minoxidil still at the top. Nobody can show better results till now.

I think you get my point. I just picked up a study in biology to answer your question. Furthermore I have read many studies about (hair follicle) biology, still continue to do so because I enjoy it. I bet if you will start to read them you will be just as skeptical as me. Evidence is what counts, not some loose talking. If we go by the concept of loose talking we would have cured cancer now, I would look like brad pitt and we all would be cured from AGA 20 years ago, on top of that you would have a pill which would transform you into Lazar Angelov. Well reality is different.

Eventually better treatments will arive, just don't count on them short term. You won't get me excited anymore with loose talking, evidence is what I want to see. Till now I don't see any of it.

[Keki]

That's the damage toxic troll does to a community, link crap site and pubblications, spread bullshit and aneddoctal shit and someone eventually will trust him, and that's why every effort in finding a cure is going exactly in the opposite direction, and regarding follicept even reading wikipedia can give you an idea how igf-1 if one of the key ingredient that can lead to a cure, that's the trigger to the follicle growth factors and the beta catenin transcription which is one of the main reason we are losing hairs and growing beard but he find it a waste of time because you can't beat the koreans, what a tragedy for the lurkers

[Swooping]

That's the damage toxic troll does to a community, link crap site and pubblications, spread bullshit and aneddoctal shit and someone eventually will trust him, and that's why every effort in finding a cure is going exactly in the opposite direction, and regarding follicept even reading wikipedia can give you an idea how igf-1 if one of the key ingredient that can lead to a cure, that's the trigger to the follicle growth factors and the beta catenin transcription which is one of the main reason we are losing hairs and growing beard but he find it a waste of time because you can't beat the koreans, what a tragedy for the lurkers

Dude, I actually really damn enjoy visiting this forum. Sometimes it's pure comedy. Wikipedia was right all along, indeed LOL. Hahahahaha.

[Keki]

if you like wikipedia i can suggest you this two link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_processing and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension, this will help you immensely

[Swooping]

Perhaps if you would make any sense I would take you seriously . The only thing sdsurfin, It's2014ComeonAlready and you do is that you guys attack me when I give a response to other people their questions or voice my opinion. Little do you guys know how ridiculous you sound, haha. It's nice to have fans like this <3.

[sdsurfin]

Swooping the problem isn't that you are cynical about hair loss treatments, because I am too. The problem is you are simply trolling based on your gut feelings. Also your posts are incredibly obnoxious in tone and in content. Hair will not help you. And I second the fact that your reading comprehension blows. I sincerely hope you're not from an English speaking country because not only do you have zero grasp of science and how business works, but you also can't put sentences together.

[Swooping]

Swooping the problem isn't that you are cynical about hair loss treatments, because I am too. The problem is you are simply trolling based on your gut feelings. Also your posts are incredibly obnoxious in tone and in content. Hair will not help you. And I second the fact that your reading comprehension blows. I sincerely hope you're not from an English speaking country because not only do you have zero grasp of science and how business works, but you also can't put sentences together.

Correct, i'm not from an English speaking country. I had literally people writing me though about what a clown you are and how comical you are, no joke. Perhaps my comprehension does blow but at least that is better than being a baboon like you. And you are what 30+ of age? Man I thought you were 16. Now please stay on topic if you would like, I know you are fan of me. But this topic isn't about me. Thanks.

[sdsurfin]

Correct, i'm not from an English speaking country. I had literally people writing me though about what a clown you are and how comical you are, no joke. Perhaps my comprehension does blow but at least that is better than being a baboon like you. And you are what 30+ of age? Man I thought you were 16. Now please stay on topic if you would like, I know you are fan of me. But this topic isn't about me. Thanks.

Is "baboon" a common insult in your country? Because it sounds pretty inane. You sound like Borat or something. Not only that, but what did baboons ever do to you? They're actually pretty intelligent animals. And I'm pretty sure no one is a fan of you. Certainly no one on this forum with the capacity to parse information and consider things from an objective viewpoint. The sad thing is the only reason for you to really be on here is to vent your frustrations and secretly hope that all the unobjectively pessimistic nonsense that you're spouting might not really be true.

[sdsurfin]

if you like wikipedia i can suggest you this two link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_processing and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension, this will help you immensely

+1 haha, he basically copies and pastes every article that tangentially hits upon one of his bogus opinions without listening to anything anyone with experience says to him. I can tell you from the info that I can't disclose about follicept that there is way more to their science and reasons for pursuing this than they can tell you, and swooping has zero idea of what he is talking about or what potential they have. Hang tight brothers, better things are on the way, and they are not going to be in the form of anti androgens. If you don't value your balls or brains, do like swooping and keep slowly feminizing yourselves. the lack of side effects does not mean you aren't harming your bodies.

[EXprettyboy]

sdsurfin, I also think that the absence of Perceivable side affects is not evidence of no damage being done... I never tried to say it before cause it's kind of difficult to explain, but you put it quite concisely.

Here's my neurotic long winded version:
I imagine that DHT is having all kinds of important complex physiological biochemical effects on the body and mind that science has no clue about and perhaps will never get near analysing.
What if DHT is shaping neurological structures in the mind over time, that lead to subjective abstract behavioral patterns that evolved allowing mans survival. Big fundamental natural traits of masculinity, like raw ambition, natural emotional understanding of the importance of power, courage ...basically the psychological profile of natures "real man".

And then if you block this hormone, you might keep your sexual potency, but what if your completely unaware that your masculinity is being sapped away from you?
you would keep your hair, think you've been lucky to avoid the sides, but in reality you might be a shadow of what nature meant for you..
just that little bit too tame, slightly hesitant in life, the edge taken off you. Evolutionary, small phenomenon are the difference between extinction and survival. DHT is an evolved hormonal phenomenon. If you mess with something so fundamentally essential to physical development, how could it not have an impact on psychological development?

[Swooping]

+1 haha, he basically copies and pastes every article that tangentially hits upon one of his bogus opinions without listening to anything anyone with experience says to him. I can tell you from the info that I can't disclose about follicept that there is way more to their science and reasons for pursuing this than they can tell you, and swooping has zero idea of what he is talking about or what potential they have. Hang tight brothers, better things are on the way, and they are not going to be in the form of anti androgens. If you don't value your balls or brains, do like swooping and keep slowly feminizing yourselves. the lack of side effects does not mean you aren't harming your bodies.

Hahahaha. I really do know who you are now after reading your posts. You are a little failure in life, a bitter loser. You can't have it that people are stopping their hairloss effectively, because you can't. You tell about follicept the 4th time now that you can't tell more and "know more"? Nobody cares dude. Perhaps you should start working for him so you can have some money, the poor man that you are at the age of 33. There are only a few people hyped up for follicept, the rest is cautious as hell and doesn't' expect anything from that treatment with all good reasons. In fact many think that it's going to do shit all across all the forums perhaps you need to open your eyes. Funny that you think I'm frustrated because I'm not. Time for you to visit a psychiatrist I guess .

[alfon]

Hi guys, old time lurker, been out of this world for a while, just a curiosity:


What happened with that OSH101 thing? Sh** was promising indeed, and some guys had amazing results on it.

If I make a couple of good trades maybe I will investigate into it.

Cheers

Quoting myself here again, noone?

[Keki]

;m a failure of a man? Oehw, you almost hurt me babe. Typical of someone who can't bring on arguments, he takes it on a personal level. .

You are a little failure in life, a bitter loser. Time for you to visit a psychiatrist I guess

What a joke rotfl make your mind up, you are so funny to read

[KO1]

Quoting myself here again, noone?

I'm trying to get my hands on it, perhaps with view to doing a GB, we will know in a few weeks.

[lilpauly]

Quoting myself here again, noone?

Psi can grow hair but unfortunately we need to get in contact with the people who hold the patent to make sure it's produced correctly