follicept - what's this?

[Keki]

It's a fact that being costructive and positive worked well till now

- Opportunity to ask questions
- opportunity to show our doubt and our concern about the igf as hair growth treatment and about their company
- we succeed to help them speed up the trial
- we have a face, name and andress, and a real company who give us a safe product and not a shitty chinese imported one
- we can interact and ask them better data and RAW pictures
- we can eventually help again so even europe can have their follicept asap if it works, with a year of follicle saved

What would have happened if everyone flamed Devon at the beginning and he left the forum?

- no answers, no way to know how their product works or their theory about vehicle and igf
- slow trial with devon still looking for legit igf
- no interaction and eventually we would have only a bunch of pics on their site and nothing else

Basically an unknow company who claim hairgrow from igf like thousands of chinese igf spray which they charge for dunno 60-80$ after a year of silence, THAT sounds like a scam even if legit, they made the right call being totally trasparent here, we should be all grateful, even if it doesn't work

[follicept]

You sound more stupid with every post. If you knew anything about their product, the whole reason Follicept can possibly be released this year is because they are delivering a hormone at an incredibly low dose, which avoids FDA oversight. Using their vehicle to deliver a drug would require additional testing and further delay their release, in addition to requiring a lot more capital. It's not as simple as just calling someone from Merck and saying "Hey, we have a new delivery mechanism that could be useful with Fin, wanna partner up?"

which, by the way, I did. Haha. It's not a strategic fit.

[Clion1995]

If Dr. Nigam is actually located in India, then the whole "this is a scam" argument is a complete joke. How the hell can you compare a company being run in India to one being run in the United States? Prometheon Pharma is located in the United States. Shit like that doesn't fly well here. Prometheon would tank if they tried to scam people. Where do you live, Arashi?

[Clion1995]

Also Arashi, if you would like, the United States has a beautiful feature. It is called the Federal Trade Commission. As said by Devon "Now scamming is a different issue. That's the FTC- Federal Trade Commission. They are responsible for punishing scammers, cracking down on false advertising, etc. if consumers are "harmed" (not in the medical sense, but scammed sense). They actually have more legal authority than the FDA. The FDA must get the Department of Justice to intervene from a legal standpoint if and when required."
If you really think this is a scam, give the FTC a phone call. They'll probably laugh at you and send you back to your plebeian life.

[bigentries]

It's a fact that being costructive and positive worked well till now

- Opportunity to ask questions
- opportunity to show our doubt and our concern about the igf as hair growth treatment and about their company
- we succeed to help them speed up the trial
- we have a face, name and andress, and a real company who give us a safe product and not a shitty chinese imported one
- we can interact and ask them better data and RAW pictures
- we can eventually help again so even europe can have their follicept asap if it works, with a year of follicle saved

What would have happened if everyone flamed Devon at the beginning and he left the forum?

- no answers, no way to know how their product works or their theory about vehicle and igf
- slow trial with devon still looking for legit igf
- no interaction and eventually we would have only a bunch of pics on their site and nothing else

Basically an unknow company who claim hairgrow from igf like thousands of chinese igf spray which they charge for dunno 60-80$ after a year of silence, THAT sounds like a scam even if legit, they made the right call being totally trasparent here, we should be all grateful, even if it doesn't work

"Constructive and positive" usually means non-critical around these parts.

Nothing you said matters. If things work they work, doesn't matter how much praise or dismissal they get. That's the good thing about science

Our positions as potential consumers should be to stay defensive, skeptical and ask critical questions. Unwarranted "positivity" has just made us targets of scams for years

All of your points were made about the Chloride treatment last year, I remember NeedHairASAP basically saying the same things. Don't scare the guy, we'll never know if it works, we need to help him

You know what happened? After months of staying "positive and constructive" the guy sold his treatment secretly to other forum members, who lost hair and got scarred for weeks.
All that could be avoided if, you know, instead of praising like little girls we would have asked for hard evidence since the beginning

[stayhopeful]

"Constructive and positive" usually means non-critical around these parts.

Nothing you said matters. If things work they work, doesn't matter how much praise or dismissal they get. That's the good thing about science

Our positions as potential consumers should be to stay defensive, skeptical and ask critical questions. Unwarranted "positivity" has just made us targets of scams for years

All of your points were made about the Chloride treatment last year, I remember NeedHairASAP basically saying the same things. Don't scare the guy, we'll never know if it works, we need to help him

You know what happened? After months of staying "positive and constructive" the guy sold his treatment secretly to other forum members, who lost hair and got scarred for weeks.
All that could be avoided if, you know, instead of praising like little girls we would have asked for hard evidence since the beginning

we are asking for evidence. so is Devon. that's exactly what we've been talking about for weeks. the trial is going to start next week.
what are you on dude? do you know how to read?

[bigentries]

If Dr. Nigam is actually located in India, then the whole "this is a scam" argument is a complete joke. How the hell can you compare a company being run in India to one being run in the United States? Prometheon Pharma is located in the United States. Shit like that doesn't fly well here. Prometheon would tank if they tried to scam people. Where do you live, Arashi?

If you have the money you can ride through the lawsuits.

I think you need to do more reading dude. A lot of guys in the States have been scammed. You'll be amazed at the crap you find from reading 10+ years of hair loss forums

[hiko]

Finasteride is not a cure. It maintains hair and little else. I, like most people taking fin, have had no adverse effects. So a topical fin means nothing. A cure is something that regrows cosmetically significant amounts of terminal hair.

Let follicept do the experiments and stop saying they are a scam. Even if they did turn out to be a scam, who cares? The only thing that matters is if the IGF gel is beneficial or not. And we will find that out in time, whether or not they are "scam artists". So you're not imparting any wisdom here. You don't know how anything will play out. You guys are not scientists. You have no body of work. How arrogant do you have to be to think you have a better grasp of hair follicle biology than actual researchers? You're just forum rats with nothing else to do. Which is why when anyone calls you out, you can't present any work of your own. You have to rush over to pubmed and find some article you think supports your argument. But in reality the researchers who write those articles and do those studies don't make any definitive statements like "this will never work!". They are open to all kinds of possibilities. Which is why they succeed and people like you fail.

This is all I'm going to say to you so don't bother replying.

[Keki]

How can you "ask critical questions" if no one can answer because you made he run away from flames and free accusations? You can totally be skeptical, still think it doesn't work and ask for hard evidence because enough people didn't want to jump on the witch hunt some people organized here, the only thing we are giving them is our time and attention, nothing else, we are still waiting for proof like everyone else and no one here want to give them money blindly, expect somone who first flamed and then want some cheap stock to invest few thousands of dollars

[Clion1995]

Prometheon probably doesn't want to deal with the headaches of lawsuits while trying to start up and sell products. Assuming Bosley has been around for years (haven't heard of them, so clearly they are not great scammers and visited their website and all they sell is minox and propecia-lol ) they probably have enough money to dodge lawsuits. Does that make sense? Also, I'm assuming Bosley is a private company. The U of Florida wouldn't want scammers working for them to break scientific barriers, would they?

[just2hairs]

Arashi, you did good fighting off Nigam and Yoram...and Nameless, but you're totally off track here man. You got that scam/shill momentum going and just don't know where to stop.

Why would Devon and Dr Hsu (Harvard med) jeopardize their life's work and hard-earned reputation for some measly amount of money from us balding guys? Devon has presented himself very honestly and professionally...unlike Dr Yoram who ran away with the leeches.

Why not just sit back and see how it plays out?

[Trouse5858]

Prometheon probably doesn't want to deal with the headaches of lawsuits while trying to start up and sell products. Assuming Bosley has been around for years (haven't heard of them, so clearly they are not great scammers and visited their website and all they sell is minox and propecia-lol ) they probably have enough money to dodge lawsuits. Does that make sense? Also, I'm assuming Bosley is a private company. The U of Florida wouldn't want scammers working for them to break scientific barriers, would they?

You've never heard of Bosley? Safe to assume you're not from the United States..?

Bosley is basically a massive chain of hair transplant facilities in the U.S. They actually started out doing rudimentary "hair plug" treatments that looked like crap and caught on to the new wave of transplants that involve the strip scar and I'm assuming now, FUE. I'm sure some people have had decent results with them but it's a huge gamble. Private practice surgeons cost more, but have more skill and artistry to make the transplanted follicles look genuine and reduce scarring/ rejection.

[Clion1995]

I live in Boston. I am not at the point where I need a hair transplant (knock on wood), and if I did I wouldn't pay with pennies to use some shit company like Bosley LOL. So no, I have not heard of them. I can't even see the comparison between a hair transplant company scamming people with a company that has ties to the University of Florida that relies on it's scientific integrity.

[serenemoon]

I live in Boston. I am not at the point where I need a hair transplant (knock on wood), and if I did I wouldn't pay with pennies to use some shit company like Bosley LOL. So no, I have not heard of them. I can't even see the comparison between a hair transplant company scamming people with a company that has ties to the University of Florida that relies on it's scientific integrity.

+1.

[champpy]

Guys can we please stop calling Follicept a "scam"? It would be a scam if they intentionally lie to us and say it works and take our money.
They have done neither. They have not told us it works on humans. They have not asked for money. How is that a scam?
You have the right to be doubtful, lets just stop with the name calling please