follicept - what's this?

[FrenchNewbie]

This is a proof of serious for me: http://www.nopricks.com/ (and their are more proof on the web)

Speaking with the word "scammer" for these people... It's a shame. I can't say more.

[Arashi]

This is a proof of serious for me: http://www.nopricks.com/ (and their are more proof on the web)

Speaking with the word "scammer" for these people... It's a shame. I can't say more.

Do you want me to link a few bio companies that are even NASDAQ listed (or were) and took investors money without delivering even a single product that actually worked ? They all had professors and what's more working for them. That's no proof at all. A test like this, now that I'll trust ! Easy simple and effective.

Now, not going to respond anymore to you, you're clearly only interested in picking a fight and it's cluttering the thread.

[follicept]

Hehe thanks, but don't worry, there simply isnt a good reason NOT to perform it. Everybody these days owns a smartphone with at least 10 megapixels and modern lense, capable of shooting good photo's (I remember gc83uk who shot great photo's a few years ago with a really crappy phone, not even close to today's standards). People like Hellouser explained others before how to correctly shoot photo's. So that's not a problem. The meds, well we should select at least a group that's not on meds, but also others CAN be on meds, would be a great test for Follicept too, to find out the interaction and if it has any positive or negative effects. We'll get to see if this product is for real, Follicept gets to convince their audience. So it's really a win-win for everybody.

I will run this by Dr. Hsu- there may be issues with safety/control/interaction, so he may want only a group that is treatment-naive if we do it. I'll keep you posted!

[follicept]

They can't just send samples out willy-nilly because it could be bad for business. They're part of a university incubator, which means they have to follow testing protocols that are overseen by the IRB. Anyone that's done research in an academic setting knows this. I'm not positive on this, but I have a feeling Follicept's trials would fall under some sort of medical category even though they're cosmetic (likely less stringent than something like a new drug). Regardless, it doesn't make sense to send samples out if they want to monitor test subjects and observe the efficacy of the product firsthand. Plus, in the unlikely event that Follicept caused adverse side effects, Prometheon could be in a world of hurt if they just sent samples out without testing it in a more controlled way first. Even if they were legally protected, it could be a lot of bad press if their product caused issues due to reckless/uncontrolled testing. It's a matter of control and liability, which you're clearly too dense to understand.

+10000, minus the personal attack

[FrenchNewbie]

If it was L'Oréal who speak with us, i would have been more than skeptic. But here we have a human structure with a real innovation with diabetes. It's not the same philosophy.

I know these laboratories in France. It's my job, i work with a ruche of labs. You think i'm naive, but i know that type of structure. And trust me, they don't want to be discredited by scamming practices.

[follicept]

Arashi, the supplement industry is largely ignored by the FDA as well - you don't think companies lose lawsuits when their products make people very ill, or kill someone? Fine print only goes so far. Plus, their name would be ruined if things went awry.

You should be happy they're not going straight to market. Don't you think if they were a scam they'd already be selling the product? You see the amount of interest people have for the product; Follicept could make a good chunk by just selling the product now, but they're insisting on doing it the right way. You clearly have blinders on.

Correct.

[follicept]

Read up on cosmetic product law (I once did). All they need to do is fill out some forms, make sure their product CAN be marketed as cosmetic product (there are some restrictions but Devon already checked that he said) and then do a toxicity lab test and they can sell it. They then obeyed the law. Good luck sueing them !

Clearly not from the US! What the law says and what you can be sued for (and lose for!!) are very, very different.

[FearTheLoss]

People really need to stop commenting on this thread. It's ridiculous. Wake up and smell the roses people.

[follicept]

Do you want me to link a few bio companies that are even NASDAQ listed (or were) and took investors money without delivering even a single product that actually worked ? They all had professors and what's more working for them. That's no proof at all. A test like this, now that I'll trust ! Easy simple and effective.

Now, not going to respond anymore to you, you're clearly only interested in picking a fight and it's cluttering the thread.

Btw, this isn't the first time I have given my body to science!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9CIub8V3p8

Jeez, my beard was out of control! and I have lost some weight. And hair.

[nave13579]

This thread has become completely boycotted by Arashi. Look dude, we all get what you're saying, thank you for your input, now stop drawing out meaningless conversation loops. OR if you must continue, open your own thread called "follicept BTT trial debate" and leave this thread with integrity. The greater community would very much appreciate if you did.

[Helix]

you're clearly only interested in picking a fight and it's cluttering the thread.

Seriously ?

Can you at least wait for their "fake" pictures to appear before you continue with what you are doing ?

Every day I come here to see some news about this product and I have to go through 5 pages of you people repeating the same thing over and over.

[Arashi]

I will run this by Dr. Hsu- there may be issues with safety/control/interaction, so he may want only a group that is treatment-naive if we do it. I'll keep you posted!

Ok, would love to hear about any issue's he has. You promised to first make 100% sure it works. So if there are any safety issue's, then just wait till you have everything ready to market your product (all safety issue's should be resolved by then otherwise you may simply not sell it anyway), we'll select 20 people we all find trustworthy and run that 4 week test/trial then ! What better way than this to promote your product !

[Arashi]

Clearly not from the US! What the law says and what you can be sued for (and lose for!!) are very, very different.

That's interesting. Could you describe me a scenario where:

1) you did your toxicity test (as other needed lab tests), an independent lab didnt find any problems and certified your product as non toxic and non harmful,
2) your product was eligible to be marketed as cosmetic product and
3) where you filled out and submitted the right forms ?

And someone still could succesfully sue you for some reaction he got ? You have the law on your side.

And even then. I mean, at some point you're going to sell your product anyway. So why not sell it for $0.05 to 20 people here on the forum that we've selected and want to run the test for 4 weeks ? Wouldn't be that simply be THE best way to convince even the biggest doubters of your product ?

[hellouser]

That's interesting. Could you describe me a scenario where:

1) you did your toxicity test, an independent lab didnt find any problems and certified your product as non toxic,
2) your product was eligible to be market as cosmetic product and
3) where you filled out the right forms ?

And even then. I mean, at one point you're going to sell your product anyway. So why not sell it for $0.05 to 20 people here on the forum that we've selected and want to run the test for 4 weeks ?

4 weeks? You're not going to any results in 4 weeks. 4 MONTHS, maybe.

[noisette]

Will advise...is Hellouser US based?

Hi Devon, I hope you are fine

It's ver strange. I can see your posts (all of them for today) just now... I think Hellouser is a canadian ? I believe so I'm not sure. Hey Hell' ???