adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[Kudu]

If I had to choose one member to decide whether a treatment was a scam or not, it would have to be Arashi. The guy can spot a fake doctor from 30 miles away lol.

[nameless]

If I had to choose one member to decide whether a treatment was a scam or not, it would have to be Arashi. The guy can spot a fake doctor from 30 miles away lol.

I would not count on Arishi's judgement although I would consider his hard evidence and then make my own decision.

[nameless]

Im going to wait 2-3 more weeks until i decide if I take another treatment at DDR Heinrich, I might take my second treatment in the swiss( they have their main clinic in Switzerland but the one where the AAPE is fixed is outside Athens) I think the Heinrich clinic was fresh, top location in Vienna so I'm not too worry about HIM being a scam, but of course the treatment itself can lack efficiency) but the group discount rate for the one in Greece sounds amazing, it's still 3000 more than the Vienna clinic... But if they can push it down that would be great!

Are you sure they also do AAPE treatments?

If they do AAPE treatments how much do the AAPE treatments cost?

Please post a link to them doing AAPE treatments.

[Arashi]

If I had to choose one member to decide whether a treatment was a scam or not, it would have to be Arashi. The guy can spot a fake doctor from 30 miles away lol.

LOL, thanks but I'm not saying this is a 'fake doctor', but merely that I'd be careful. In general stay away from clinics that are pure money making factories and go for the doctors who do their job with a passion and who really care about their patients. But of course when it comes to adipose derived stem cells, there isn't much choice at the moment ...

[zeos]

http://theracell.eu/?page_id=17

''Theracell constantly exploits opportunities in regenerative biotechnology, using autologous adult stem cells and other cellular products. In order to develop and exploit the benefits of this exciting field, we work closely with doctors and we constantly try to establish collaborations with major medical institutions in Greece and other countries. We have unparalleled experience in the isolation, processing and application of Adipose Derived Stem Cells (ADSC’s), as well as somatic cells such as chondrocytes, fibroblasts and hair follicle cells. We have also developed several products based on the use of autologous growth factors that can be used in reconstructive medicine and tissue repair. The company constantly develops new products and services in Aesthetic Medicine, Orthopedics, Arthroplastic Surgery, Sports Medicine, Dentistry, Ulcer treatment and Ophthalmology.''

[nameless]

Although this of course totally unimportant cause every doctor has some bad results (right Jarjar ?), just wanted to share these reports on Dr Heinrich:

http://www.realself.com/forum/dr-karl-heinrich-in-vienna-for-stem-cell-breast-augmentation

http://forum.plasticsurgery.com/DDr-...nce-m1840.aspx

Two of our own posters, Alias and Moleular, have gone to Heinrich for injections and neither of them are saying that they have been disfigured.

I'm not saying that Heinrich didn't disfigure the patient you post about but I can say that here we have two patients who are not reporting disfigurement.

[nameless]

http://theracell.eu/?page_id=17
''Theracell constantly exploits opportunities in regenerative biotechnology, using autologous adult stem cells and other cellular products. In order to develop and exploit the benefits of this exciting field, we work closely with doctors and we constantly try to establish collaborations with major medical institutions in Greece and other countries. We have unparalleled experience in the isolation, processing and application of Adipose Derived Stem Cells (ADSC’s), as well as somatic cells such as chondrocytes, fibroblasts and hair follicle cells. We have also developed several products based on the use of autologous growth factors that can be used in reconstructive medicine and tissue repair. The company constantly develops new products and services in Aesthetic Medicine, Orthopedics, Arthroplastic Surgery, Sports Medicine, Dentistry, Ulcer treatment and Ophthalmology.''

This company is involved in research to find treatment candidates for official clinical studies. This company does not offer ADSCs or ADSC extract for commercial use at the present time. This is a development company. It has no use for us unless you are willing to wait maybe 10 years. This thread is more about ADSC treatments or ADSC extract treatments that are presently available.

[hgs1989]

http://theracell.eu/?page_id=17
''Theracell constantly exploits opportunities in regenerative biotechnology, using autologous adult stem cells and other cellular products. In order to develop and exploit the benefits of this exciting field, we work closely with doctors and we constantly try to establish collaborations with major medical institutions in Greece and other countries. We have unparalleled experience in the isolation, processing and application of Adipose Derived Stem Cells (ADSC’s), as well as somatic cells such as chondrocytes, fibroblasts and hair follicle cells. We have also developed several products based on the use of autologous growth factors that can be used in reconstructive medicine and tissue repair. The company constantly develops new products and services in Aesthetic Medicine, Orthopedics, Arthroplastic Surgery, Sports Medicine, Dentistry, Ulcer treatment and Ophthalmology.''

the evidence on the use ADSC and their secreted proteins is keep piling up. more and more scientist should look into their potential as hair loss treatments.

[hellouser]

Wouldn't it be better to get confirmation about this from Dr. Jahoda / Dr. Lauster or one of their team members rather than putting trust into the marketing campaign and PR talk from the clinic websites? I take their claims with a grain of salt but would MUCH rather take the word from an actual known and credible scientist.

Also, you guys should look into some patents on the use of adipose derived stem cells:

https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts&gws_rd=ssl#q=adipose+derived+stem+cells+hair&safe=off&tbm=pts

[nameless]

Wouldn't it be better to get confirmation about this from Dr. Jahoda / Dr. Lauster or one of their team members rather than putting trust into the marketing campaign and PR talk from the clinic websites? I take their claims with a grain of salt but would MUCH rather take the word from an actual known and credible scientist.

Also, you guys should look into some patents on the use of adipose derived stem cells:

https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts&gws_...fe=off&tbm=pts

We don't need to ask Jahoda anything. In the Dr. Gardner thread, the thread that Arishi scared Dr. Gardner out of, Dr. Gardner stated that Jahoda will be using fat cells so they can get the growth factor signals into follicles. We have already been given Dr. Jahoda's opinion on the matter. And you were heavily involved in that thread so you should already know Jahoda's opinion on this issue. You need to learn to transpose information from one thread to another.

In fact, Dr. Jahoda thinks that fat cells, and they're growth factor signals, are key factors for hair growth.

[hellouser]

We don't need to ask Jahoda anything. In the Dr. Gardner thread, the thread that Arishi scared Dr. Gardner out of, Dr. Gardner stated that Jahoda will be using fat cells so they can get the growth factor signals into follicles. We have already been given Dr. Jahoda's opinion on the matter. And you were heavily involved in that thread so you should already know Jahoda's opinion on this issue. You need to learn to transpose information from one thread to another.

In fact, Dr. Jahoda thinks that fat cells, and they're growth factor signals, are key factors for hair growth.

I'm sorry for not memorizing absolutely everything I read.

Please note, I was not 'heavily' involved in that thread. You were. And both you and Arashi's immature bickering was the real reason Gardner bounced.

[Arashi]

I'm sorry for not memorizing absolutely everything I read.

Please note, I was not 'heavily' involved in that thread. You were. And both you and Arashi's immature bickering was the real reason Gardner bounced.

There wasn't much bickering going on in that thread I avoided that. I just gave a very polite warning to jarjar that if he'd keep spamming the doctor, he would most probably leave.

[nameless]

I'm sorry for not memorizing absolutely everything I read.

Please note, I was not 'heavily' involved in that thread. You were. And both you and Arashi's immature bickering was the real reason Gardner bounced.

* You were involved in the thread enough Hellouser. You should know the answer to your question. I'm not trying to give you a hard time but we should be trying to figure out what to do and that's hard to do when you have to repeat the same thing over and over and over again to some folks. All I'm saying is please try to stay on point and please try to keep aware of what you have already RECENTLY learnt. I'm trying to help Hellouser but it makes it harder if we have to go over the same things over and over again.

* Did you see my post with the email response from the ADSC clinic indicating that they are open to the idea of a group discount?

* I just got another email from them indicating that if the cells are cultured in the correct manner and below a specific number of times they retain their potency. Here is the email:

If cell culture is done in such a way to give cells enough room to breath (avoid crowded flasks) and go up to 6 passages, then cells could be cryopreserved (liquid nitrogen -196 degrees C) and still have full potency.

Best regards,

[hellouser]

There wasn't much bickering going on in that thread I avoided that. I just gave a very polite warning to jarjar that if he'd keep spamming the doctor, he would most probably leave.

Meh, not important anyway. The real problem is the absence of Gardner.

[nameless]

There wasn't much bickering going on in that thread I avoided that. I just gave a very polite warning to jarjar that if he'd keep spamming the doctor, he would most probably leave.

Arishi What you call a "polite warning" is bickering. It's your typical condescending, boorish, overbearing, attitude you always display as if what you say has special importance because you're Arishi. You need to understand that I have only limited respect for the things you say because you have made numerous mistakes and you aren't very smart. I will consider any evidence you put forth but I will not accept your judgment or conclusions. I will come to my own conclusions about your evidence because of your past mistakes, most famously your assertions that the 2014 hair loss congress scientists had resolved the trichogenicity issue. BTW you "warned" me on that issue too and look how wrong you were. You would be better served if you stop talking and start doing some listening instead.