Final Days: Chinese Scientists Have Solved the DP Culturing Problem! (2014)

[Thinning87]

I think both IronMan and Arashi are actually saying the same thing on the facts related to the experiments.

The only difference is, IM has this tone like there is some kind of scam, or lie, and these facts are not to be taken as positive news because they have not achieved the ultimate cure.

Arashi, more objectively in my opinion, puts the facts related to the experiments in the right perspective i.e. in their context. The experiments were designed to show partial steps for the achievement of a final cure. If those steps can be put together in a new experiments, we really are basically waiting for it to be done in clinical trials.

I still do not understand if the Taiwanese clinical trials will include a combination of the Tsuji and Chinese experiments, to combine creation of the follicle following Tsuji's method with DP cells that will be able to undergo that growth.

[brocktherock]

Things are taking off at a faster and faster rate as time goes on. I do think that if they have a viable profitable solution then all of these pesky clinical trials will be streamlined much faster. Their are a lot of others that have a ton of research that they are probably keeping to themselves. When competition is introduced to the market place then the consumer wins. Keep hope alive because nobody was expecting tsujis progress nearly this fast. They are trying harder than it seems, I think.

[burtandernie]

Yeah well fast I guess, but its not fast enough because the foreseeable future is still MPB progressing as it does now.

[Conpecia]

This pretty much sums it up. You just didn't understand it at all. Again, Tsuji lab wanted to demonstrate how to grow human hair out of some exisiting cells and they succeeded. Those Chinese wanted to show they could culture DP cells while preserving gene expression (so succeeding where Jahoda failed) ! Totally different objective. To show the DP cells didnt lose their follicle inducing ability (like normally happens when culturing DP cells), they even induced some hair like fibers. But all in a dish !! This is TOTALLY different than growing REAL hair (like Tsuji did) on skin. This doesnt somehow show the Chinese failed (like you make it look) at all. It just showed that the DP cells retained their HF inducing capability after culturing them. Now, again, the next step would be to repeat what Tsuji did but this time using CULTURED dp cells, instead of using existing ones taken from human donors. But if the DP cells really are the same as their original counterpart (and not have lost gene expression), then there's theoretically no reason why that wouldnt work.

IM do you have a counterargument to this or is this why desmond and others are calling this such a breakthrough?

[Dan26]

You think just cause aderans invested so much and failed that hair multiplication would go into a lull but unbeknownst to you we got our homies out in taiwan and china + Jadhoada&TeamTokyo (which everyone was aware of)
puttin in that work! We gone see!!!!!

Face it IM these asian guys are killing the game right now, way more intelligent, capable and dedicated compared to most euro/NA researchers

Where you at Kurt Stenn and Ken Washenick!? That's what I though!

[karxxx]

cloning

What happens if you fail in perpetuity China and Taiwan will be finished?

[Desmond84]

Guys check out the World Hair Congress thread I just posted. There are another 6 teams who have found a way to culture DP cells!!! It's mind boggling

Arashi make sure you sit down before you read the titles...ROFL

[mjolnir]

Guess I picked a good day to check the forum again. The questions now then are when, how much, and how safe. Price doesn't concern me too much - by the time this is available as part of an actual treatment, I should have enough in the bank to cover anything short of six digits (though of course cheaper is always better). Timewise, it would be nice to have a full head of hair by the time I'm thirty, but four years is probably far too soon to expect anything. I expect I'll either start shaving or go for a hair piece well before then. As for safety...that's the tricky one. There are limits to what I'll do for vanity, and while I am on fin, that's about as risky as I'm willing to go. I need well run clinical trials and FDA approval to happen before I allow myself to consider this a real solution.

[hellouser]

You think just cause aderans invested so much and failed that hair multiplication would go into a lull but unbeknownst to you we got our homies out in taiwan and china + Jadhoada&TeamTokyo (which everyone was aware of)
puttin in that work! We gone see!!!!!

Face it IM these asian guys are killing the game right now, way more intelligent, capable and dedicated compared to most euro/NA researchers

Where you at Kurt Stenn and Ken Washenick!? That's what I though!

Dan26, let's book a flight to Asia with all the Toronto home boys for a cure once available. We all go out for heavy celebration.

[35YrsAfter]

Guys check out the World Hair Congress thread I just posted. There are another 6 teams who have found a way to culture DP cells!!! It's mind boggling

Arashi make sure you sit down before you read the titles...ROFL

From the overview:
"The researchers were able to reduce the levels of the protein by genetically modifying the cells so that they produced less Oct 4.

During embryonic development, pluripotent cells that have the capacity to become any cell type in the body can either renew themselves by multiplying in number or differentiate to become cells found in different parts of the body, for example skin or liver cells.

It is important for researchers to be able to increase the number of these cells so they have enough of them and they can be turned into other types of cell.

The scientists at the Medical Research Council Centre for Regenerative Medicine at 
Edinburgh University found that when there were lower levels of Oct 4, the protein bound much more tightly to key parts of DNA – the genetic material – in cells.

The research could help improve the way in which stem cells are cultured in the laboratory, providing a better understanding of how cells divide and multiply or generate into 
different cell types."

Once the nuts and bolts are mastered, the FDA and equivalent agencies overseas will need proof the resulting treatment isn't cancer causing. "Stem cells" raise a red flag. I am optimistic though.

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[hellouser]

Once the nuts and bolts are mastered, the FDA and equivalent agencies overseas will need proof the resulting treatment isn't cancer causing. "Stem cells" raise a red flag. I am optimistic though.

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I won't be going to USA for any hair loss treatment due to the FDA. My money is going to improve the economy of another country.

[Dan26]

Dan26, let's book a flight to Asia with all the Toronto home boys for a cure once available. We all go out for heavy celebration.

I'm in!

[clandestine]

I'm in!

mmhm

[Jazz1]

I won't be going to USA for any hair loss treatment due to the FDA. My money is going to improve the economy of another country.

I agree with you I think the whole world is fed who with Ba**** corrupt FDA trying to be the world boss. Its about time people told them to get stuffed and people around the world should start taking their business some where else. I for one would truly pay my business in a different country rather than those FDA Goons.

[Jazz1]

I'm in!

Me to .