Final Days: Chinese Scientists Have Solved the DP Culturing Problem! (2014)

[Tenma]

It doesn't solve anything for an NW3 like me. CB, if it ever comes out, won't regrow my temples nor will it restore my hairline. I'll still have a decimated hairline and a framed face that looks like shit.

So no, I dont care for CB if we can have a legitimate cure just as quickly.

You may be surprised with CB. An antiandrogen that addresses both T and DHT is a huge step forward and there are good chances of some regrowth in the front. Even Dut showed moderate regrowth on some people

There is a study performed with ionophoresis as a vehicle and the results were amazing.

[hellouser]

You may be surprised with CB. An antiandrogen that addresses both T and DHT is a huge step forward and there are good chances of some regrowth.

There is a study performed with ionophoresis as a vehicle and the results were amazing.

I know all about CB, and no, its not going to regrow your temples, I'll bet both my testicles on that. CB is a good treatment, but its NOT a solution.

[Alias123]

but hellouse if you are a NW3 and you can maintain that, shouldent donor area cover so you can get a good hairline? with a safe AA one can almost say its riskless to do a HT? even if the drugs stop working after 7-10 years there is surely to be another option, or another AA that doesnt work the same way and doesnt interfere with the non working AA

[hellouser]

but hellouse if you are a NW3 and you can maintain that, shouldent donor area cover so you can get a good hairline? with a safe AA one can almost say its riskless to do a HT? even if the drugs stop working after 7-10 years there is surely to be another option, or another AA that doesnt work the same way and doesnt interfere with the non working AA

Theoretically, yes I could do that. But how long beore CB arrives on the market? 3 years? 4 years? I have no desire to wait that long, not for CB and not for a cure via stem cells.

Youre wrong about another 'stronger' AA coming out. You could castrate yourself and block all testosterone levels completely and turn into a woman, youre NOT going to regrow your lost hair.

[clarence]

HT for me for now, should last me about a decade... its taken me about that long to go down to an NW3...

Hey man, I think this comment reflects some very positive development. I myself was since day 1 very much against the idea of permanent depletion of my donor, which a HT would produce, but I became much more open to a HT, after I just read recent news, especially when the option of restoring the density into the donor zone will probably be available now in 10 and not 20 years. Now, I don't know if they will be able to achieve the fullest density after 10 years, but it's still potentially 10 years of waiting. It JUST AIN'T F*CKING WORTH IT, if I'm the only person in the world who will see the difference in my appearance when the donor is depleted.

We're always waiting out to see what will come from various drugs, such as CB and Valporic Acid... but I'm "merely" receding as opposed to any thinning, so I'm not confident why either of these would benefit me enough to delay the HT. We'll know a lot more by the end of the year. TomVercetti should have had at least something new for us to consider. Hopefully we can write off the "regeneration" part from Pilofocus, unless there is really impressive evidence of it. Or maybe Histogen surprises us. But the only reason after that why I might still delay my HT after that is Costarelis, who always seems to be "two years away from a treatment". "If it all went perfectly then possibly in two to three years we would have a product, but that's very optimistic." That was in 2007. Why can't he just say "Y'all go have a HT now, unless you wanna spend the next few years in the misery?" This is a question I wish Spencer would ask him. What does Costarelis think about just having a HT in 2014? Spencer has for long been providing guys with guidance concerning treatment options, but, Hellrouser, don't you think THIS kind of an exchange with Costarelis would be critical in providing us the guidance we right now desperately need?

[hellouser]

Hey man, I think this comment reflects some very positive development. I myself was since day 1 very much against the idea of permanent depletion of my donor, which a HT would produce, but I became much more open to a HT, after I just read recent news, especially when the option of restoring the density into the donor zone will probably be available now in 10 and not 20 years. Now, I don't know if they will be able to achieve the fullest density after 10 years, but it's still potentially 10 years of waiting. It JUST AIN'T F*CKING WORTH IT, if I'm the only person in the world who will see the difference in my appearance when the donor is depleted.

We're always waiting out to see what will come from various drugs, such as CB and Valporic Acid... but I'm "merely" receding as opposed to any thinning, so I'm not confident why either of these would benefit me enough to delay the HT. We'll know a lot more by the end of the year. TomVercetti should have had at least something new for us to consider. Hopefully we can write off the "regeneration" part from Pilofocus, unless there is really impressive evidence of it. Or maybe Histogen surprises us. But the only reason after that why I might still delay my HT after that is Costarelis, who always seems to be "two years away from a treatment". "If it all went perfectly then possibly in two to three years we would have a product, but that's very optimistic." That was in 2007. Why can't he just say "Y'all go have a HT now, unless you wanna spend the next few years in the misery?" This is a question I wish Spencer would ask him. What does Costarelis think about just having a HT in 2014? Spencer has for long been providing guys with guidance concerning treatment options, but, Hellrouser, don't you think THIS kind of an exchange with Costarelis would be critical in providing us the guidance we right now desperately need?

I think Cotsarelis needs to STFU if he plans on saying '2 more years' every 5 years. At this point we have to take his words with a very small grain of salt. Either he becomes transparent or stops lying through his teeth; its disgusting.

The only HT I'd consider is pilofocus though, everything else is crap. But hey, even that isn't supposed to be available for patients until end of this year or early next year, but we all know how doctors are with projections, they all fail MISERABLY, so what Dr. Wesley says about availability, you CANNOT use it as scripture when he's more than likely to be WRONG.

[Bjimmy]

Dude, i've been in this game long enough to know who is whom. Desmond is really really good and a great person but this guy Iron Man is like an evil Bryan Shelton lol.

I'd really appreciate his opinion.

Seconding this. Iron Man is incredibly well-versed on the intricacies of hair loss; I too would love to hear his opinion on these developments.

[Tenma]

Youre wrong about another 'stronger' AA coming out. You could castrate yourself and block all testosterone levels completely and turn into a woman, youre NOT going to regrow your lost hair.

According to Hamilton canonical studies about eunucs castrated after puberty, complete reversal of early baldness on the crown isnt imposible . He found that frontal hairloss was harder to recover from though.

The early you stop androgen stimulus, the better are the chances of regrowing some of the hair you lost.

But i agree that antiandrogen therapy is basically about mantainance.

[Arashi]

Seconding this. Iron Man is incredibly well-versed on the intricacies of hair loss; I too would love to hear his opinion on these developments.

Boldy and Desmond are by far the 2 most knowledgeable persons on this forum. Ironman comes nowhere near them and he's totally biased: everything else than HASCI is sh*t in his eyes and he's been wrong about HASCI in the first place. So I'm pretty sure he'll be negative about this too (since it's not HASCI, lol)

[clarence]

I think Cotsarelis needs to STFU if he plans on saying '2 more years' every 5 years. At this point we have to take his words with a very small grain of salt. Either he becomes transparent or stops lying through his teeth; its disgusting.

Yah I know, but do consider what I said about Spencer. I would try to contact him myself, if I considered myself as knowledgeable as ie. you or Arashi. Arashi is not so confident about regeneration with concern to Dr. Wesley though. I also have seen your pics, Hellrouser. Some guys are interested in having grafts placed over the entire space on the top, but I think you would potentially benefit from a HT by placing most of the grafts on the front, and worry less about the space behind the hairline, before new treatment options become available. You would at least look "normal" for the rest of your life, even if the thinning will continue. I on the other hand will be looking at a huge gap between transplanted grafts and my natural hairline, if I continue receding, even if I haven't lost alot of hair. But thank god I'm already 30 years old so I know quite well where I'm heading!

Hellrouser can I have some contact information or can I contact you privately throught the *** forum? I am looking to take one for the team concerning a certain "controversial" treatment.

[clarence]

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[Tenma]

Boldy and Desmond are by far the 2 most knowledgeable persons on this forum. Ironman comes nowhere near them and he's totally biased: everything else than HASCI is sh*t in his eyes and he's been wrong about HASCI in the first place. So I'm pretty sure he'll be negative about this too (since it's not HASCI, lol)

I remember Ironman detailed and very well articulated explanation of why ari was going to fail and the reactions of almost all the others knowledgable posters who attacked him.

In the end he was right on the spot about everything regarding hair multiplication, acell, nigam, jahoda, etc etc.

The problem with him is the fanatism with certain controversial doctor.

[hellouser]

Yah I know, but do consider what I said about Spencer. I would try to contact him myself, if I considered myself as knowledgeable as ie. you or Arashi. Arashi is not so confident about regeneration with concern to Dr. Wesley though. I also have seen your pics, Hellrouser. Some guys are interested in having grafts placed over the entire space on the top, but I think you would potentially benefit from a HT by placing most of the grafts on the front, and worry less about the space behind the hairline, before new treatment options become available. You would at least look "normal" for the rest of your life, even if the thinning will continue. I on the other hand will be looking at a huge gap between transplanted grafts and my natural hairline, if I continue receding, even if I haven't lost alot of hair. But thank god I'm already 30 years old so I know quite well where I'm heading!

Hellrouser can I have some contact information or can I contact you privately throught the *** forum? I am looking to take one for the team concerning a certain "controversial" treatment.

Reach out to me via SAGA or PHG

[clarence]

Reach out to me via SAGA or PHG

Geez, they're both private forums and access is restricted for me. What do I do? I believe I have some account at both *** and HS, but don't remember if PM is available at either site?

[hellouser]

Geez, they're both private forums and access is restricted for me. What do I do? I believe I have some account at both *** and HS, but don't remember if PM is available at either site?

PM is possible on ***, I'm there as well.