George Cotsarelis and upenn new article today

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  • yeahyeahyeah
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 1776

    #91
    Originally posted by hellouser
    If thats NW2, than I am an NW5.

    He's got SLIGHTLY receded temples... but nothing more.
    hairloss is hairloss

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    • yeahyeahyeah
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 1776

      #92
      Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
      hairloss is hairloss
      And to be honest, it is silly to believe that he has no motivation to create a product that is efficient and safe.

      The hairloss industry is WORTH BILLIONS.

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      • BDDFreak
        Member
        • Dec 2013
        • 77

        #93
        Or maybe they just don't genuinely have a product that people would be happy with just yet. Progress is made and with each progress another milestone is set in stone. No one should belittle their progress just because they don't have a product to show for it because one day all that research is going to culminate into a product that we will use.

        Are they taking forever? Yes. But I'm also sure they understand how much money there is to be made in this so it's not like they aren't trying their best. They're not using tax paper money, so why ppl feel entitled to a cure is actually beyond me. If u want to take initiative, and try to research and develop a cure to something that has been stumping people for thousands of years, take it through the FDA approval, and then market it...let's see how fast it gets done. I already know I'm going to backlash for "defending" the researchers but I'm just saying put your self in their shoes. Life isn't as simple as u guys seem to make it.

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        • hellouser
          Senior Member
          • May 2012
          • 4419

          #94
          Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
          And to be honest, it is silly to believe that he has no motivation to create a product that is efficient and safe.

          The hairloss industry is WORTH BILLIONS.
          Worth billions with garbage treatments. It'd be worth a lot more if there were legitimate treatments.

          That said, him and Follica seriously need to hurry up.

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          • yeahyeahyeah
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 1776

            #95
            Originally posted by hellouser
            Worth billions with garbage treatments. It'd be worth a lot more if there were legitimate treatments.

            That said, him and Follica seriously need to hurry up.
            So why wouldnt George Cotsarelis want to solve it?

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            • hellouser
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 4419

              #96
              Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
              So why wouldnt George Cotsarelis want to solve it?
              That's never been up for debate with me. My problem has always been with the SLOW progress.

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              • yeahyeahyeah
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 1776

                #97
                Originally posted by hellouser
                That's never been up for debate with me. My problem has always been with the SLOW progress.
                Maybe it is not as simple as we think it is to solve.

                Put it this way, it is in his interest to solve it - not only because financially it will make him very rich, but also because of the kudos/recognition he will get for solving a problem that has never been solved before.

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                • Number47
                  Junior Member
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 29

                  #98
                  The thing is guys that we follow these things too early in the game, we know them before there are any trials due to the power of the internet. They announce something and we think that its around the corner. I think these things are very experimental and we get ahead of ourselves thinking we are saved. I know it sucks but if they had something close to becoming reality big pharma and corporations would go overboard who is gonna acquire them first. There are thousands small start ups which try to bring better cures and medicine for various diseases, all of them pass some milestones all of them publish but only a few ever succeed and become rich.

                  Even worst some of them researchers know that their quest might not be completed until some new technologies and understandings come to reality, but they want to have their name as the first who recognised the problem, the first who solved the riddle so when these new technologies ever come and the cure is found they will be forever known as the ones who saw the solution and they were ahead of their time but they just didn't have the means to get to it back then.

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                  • Number47
                    Junior Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 29

                    #99
                    On a bright note though we have the drugs that supposedly can help with the discovery of kotsarelis in clinical trials right now so we will know sooner how this works, but still progress as others say seems too slow and i am not sure if we can avoid propecia even if the new cure from kotsarelis comes.

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                    • Thinning87
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 839

                      Very true but we must keep in mind Follica are the ones who have spoken about commercialization in multiple occasions. I think anyone who looks at their story closely cannot be anything other than excited.

                      Despite what people have said on the forums, even their latest publication in December showed significant efforts directed at mechanisms to manipulate hair follicle growth. Researchers obviously knew already about the importance of WNT but that doesn't mean they don't need to carry out experiments to learn how to exploit it practically.

                      They have a device that applies studied techniques to wound the skin and with the application of topicals that are currently on the market for other purposes (read, no clinical trials needed), they have been able to create new hair follicles consistently.

                      Now they need to master the manipulation of whichever compounds and factors need to be inhibited or stimulated (and to what extent) so they can achieve the results they know we want to pay for. And they have been developing protocols to do all this.

                      Yeah be skeptical if you want, but I think anyone who is reasonable and wants to look at the facts has to be excited. This is great progress they have made and they surely will keep going in this direction.

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                      • UK_
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 2691

                        Ugh, yeah, spoken spoken spoken to death about commercialization... but never commercialized.

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                        • hellouser
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2012
                          • 4419

                          Originally posted by UK_
                          Ugh, yeah, spoken spoken spoken to death about commercialization... but never commercialized.
                          Yup. These guys have a lot of hard talk here and no follow-through.

                          Getting tired of the words possible, potential, within x-number of years, etc. Its about effing time someone actually did something more than flap their gums.

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                          • BoSox
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 697

                            It's confusing exactly what their treatment will actually be able to do, one place I read quotes about reversing baldness and another just slowing down hair loss. I just hope it comes out in time before my thinning gets out of reach for this treatment

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                            • hellouser
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2012
                              • 4419

                              Originally posted by BoSox
                              It's confusing exactly what their treatment will actually be able to do, one place I read quotes about reversing baldness and another just slowing down hair loss. I just hope it comes out in time before my thinning gets out of reach for this treatment
                              They're definitely NOT going to release a product that simply slows down hair loss... we've had garbage products like that for the last 20+ years; finasteride and minoxidil.

                              Spencer Kobren confirmed they created NEW hair follicles...

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                              • Thinning87
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 839

                                Originally posted by hellouser
                                Yup. These guys have a lot of hard talk here and no follow-through.

                                Getting tired of the words possible, potential, within x-number of years, etc. Its about effing time someone actually did something more than flap their gums.
                                No one owes you a treatment dude, you can't think like you're being cheated by somebody if at this point in time there is not treatment.

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