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  • burtandernie
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 1563

    #76
    People that are not bald simply dont care and men that arent are probably glad to have that advantage so they probably happy that nothing really works just less competition for them. MPB is a very hard thing to quantify because it varies by person and even by how they feel. I can say even one NW level makes you look that much older even if its just a mature hairline so it definitely affects how old you look whether you care or not. Having a lot of hair left myself still I can say a lot of girls do care so I dont think its some made up or exaggerated issue men make up or obsess over for no reason. Even though lots of stupid people say who cares or downplay it. Its partly how much you value looks and certain attributes which varies by person

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    • locke999
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2013
      • 158

      #77
      Originally posted by hellouser
      Giving an example of someone who may be worse off than someone else is a slap to the face.

      Everyone's problems are relative but too many people dismiss this fact.
      It depends on how you take it. You can play the victims card and take everything as an personal offense against you or you can gain encouragement from it and try to better yourselves.

      And just because there is no cure means the hair loss field is incompetent. Essentially, trying to reverse hair loss is trying to reverse the aging process, and that is a lot harder than building the next Ipad. Think of all the biomedical technology we have today: genetically modified organism, electron microscopes that can see organelles, vaccines, amputation and transplants. These are all medical advances that we take for granted, we have come a very long way. But even then, people still die. Just like one of the members said on this forum, the lack of a cure does not say that researchers are incompetent, but that it underscores the difficulty of the problem.

      As much as you guys condemn people for laughing and not caring about hair loss sufferers, how many of you spent even a day to feel sorry for midgets always getting made fun of on TV or people who have a big nose or anything we consider as out of place. People--human nature--in general have their vices, and that includes you. And people will tell you its not that big of a deal, because thats all they can say. What do you want them to say? "Oh you are bald, yep that sucks for you. Life's over. You will die alone and noone will like you." Everyone is ignorant, because noone has been in everyone's shoes so don't take it personally as if society put all hair loss sufferers into a bag to make fun of them.

      Complain and point the fingers all you want, the problem is not going to go away. You can live the next 10 or 20 years in misery or you can try to gain confidence by improving the other aspects of your life. I am sure most of us have times where we are in despair and times where we feel like its not going to hold us back. The cure will come out when it comes out, that could take decades or whatever time is appropriate and no about of self pity will change that. Its your choice what mental state you are going to allow yourself to be in until that time comes.

      I am just thinking how good I would feel about myself when I accomplish all my non hair related goals by the end of this new year.

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      • robodoc
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 199

        #78
        Originally posted by hellouser
        You know, I think if you really wanted to give these guys incentive to release something quickly, you'd take away their salary, I mean funding.... oh wait, thats essentially the same thing.

        This hair loss solution is taking WAY too long.
        The cynical me says, "keep publishing to keep the funds (aka, paychecks) coming also. Cotsarellis basically claimed his team had a treatment or cure and has done nuttin since his claim back in 2010 or so. If they had something we would have known. Now we are hoping Piloxll won't crush our dream...just keep waiting.

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        • Thinning87
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 839

          #79
          Originally posted by locke999
          It depends on how you take it. You can play the victims card and take everything as an personal offense against you or you can gain encouragement from it and try to better yourselves.

          And just because there is no cure means the hair loss field is incompetent. Essentially, trying to reverse hair loss is trying to reverse the aging process, and that is a lot harder than building the next Ipad. Think of all the biomedical technology we have today: genetically modified organism, electron microscopes that can see organelles, vaccines, amputation and transplants. These are all medical advances that we take for granted, we have come a very long way. But even then, people still die. Just like one of the members said on this forum, the lack of a cure does not say that researchers are incompetent, but that it underscores the difficulty of the problem.

          As much as you guys condemn people for laughing and not caring about hair loss sufferers, how many of you spent even a day to feel sorry for midgets always getting made fun of on TV or people who have a big nose or anything we consider as out of place. People--human nature--in general have their vices, and that includes you. And people will tell you its not that big of a deal, because thats all they can say. What do you want them to say? "Oh you are bald, yep that sucks for you. Life's over. You will die alone and noone will like you." Everyone is ignorant, because noone has been in everyone's shoes so don't take it personally as if society put all hair loss sufferers into a bag to make fun of them.

          Complain and point the fingers all you want, the problem is not going to go away. You can live the next 10 or 20 years in misery or you can try to gain confidence by improving the other aspects of your life. I am sure most of us have times where we are in despair and times where we feel like its not going to hold us back. The cure will come out when it comes out, that could take decades or whatever time is appropriate and no about of self pity will change that. Its your choice what mental state you are going to allow yourself to be in until that time comes.

          I am just thinking how good I would feel about myself when I accomplish all my non hair related goals by the end of this new year.
          Well said

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          • Thinning87
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 839

            #80
            Originally posted by robodoc
            The cynical me says, "keep publishing to keep the funds (aka, paychecks) coming also. Cotsarellis basically claimed his team had a treatment or cure and has done nuttin since his claim back in 2010 or so. If they had something we would have known. Now we are hoping Piloxll won't crush our dream...just keep waiting.
            Based on what "they have done nuttin"

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            • hellouser
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 4419

              #81
              Originally posted by Thinning87
              Based on what "they have done nuttin"
              Based on available treatments

              No treatments, no results. Its the end 'product' that matters.

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              • robodoc
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 199

                #82
                Originally posted by Tenma
                Thanks for sharing. Lets hope this wnt/beta catenine stuff is the catalist we need to regain a full head of hair.

                Still, news regarding Cotsarelis seems to run under some schedule since 2007. They appear always at the end of the year.
                Fascinating stuff and this means what? They can keep cooking in the lab for another year or two? I am with Hellrouser, is the medical community that inept they can't cure or find a remedy for AA that afflicts over 50% of men. Sure it does not meet the criteria of saving lives but how about fixing something that affects the morale of millions and millions of people? Can't that be more socially or morally acceptable than the usual comparison to the cure for cancer?

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                • robodoc
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 199

                  #83
                  Originally posted by walrus
                  Pessimistic posters should note that science does not owe anyone a favour. It will take as long as it takes. You should be thankful that research is actually being done at all in this field.
                  Give me a freekin break. Science owes nothing to no one, mate. It can however do something for humanity and grow some freekin hair on our heads since so many are afflicted. You think? You think living a life of baldness makes anyone happy? Do you think fixing that has moral value? I do.

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                  • robodoc
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 199

                    #84
                    Originally posted by walrus
                    Pessimistic posters should note that science does not owe anyone a favour. It will take as long as it takes. You should be thankful that research is actually being done at all in this field.
                    Perhaps we should be thankful for toilet paper too?

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                    • robodoc
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 199

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Hair Bear
                      Hair loss is not seen as a condition not by the medical society at large or the general public therefore people with this condition are made to feel as if they don't belong into any sort of group but instead just a laughing stock by society whilst the medical community just gives you that unsympathetic pat on the back and gives you that kinda 'walk it off look' as if you are making a big deal out of nothing, meanwhile there are those "scientists" that just see as cash register that they can withdraw money from whenever they please.

                      I'm not in any way suggesting that Follica is such a company but there are a great deal of them out there meanwhile the governing groups such as the TGA, FDA stroke their beards and cluck their tongues.
                      There is good reason for people to be pissed off and if you have been around long enough you will certainly have more than enough reason to be frustrated and disillusioned with the scientific and medical community.

                      The fact is no one has proven within reason that they have any sort of tangible product which shall relieve us from this situation.

                      Am I bitter? perhaps!
                      But you have to admit the hair loss industry is disgrace, if only they would all work together rather than against each other they might achieve something within the next 5 years and I don't mean the magical 5 year number they tend to throw out every few years, if I were to apply the perception of time at which the hair loss community works at then I wouldn't have aged a day in the past 20 years.
                      Well, I aM bitter. These researchers keep posting their great success and where are they? In the land of theory and tease. As the always negative
                      Hellouser (I jest) says maybe a study here and there keeps the money coming their way. Note Cotsarellis has so much hair I think we should just clone him.

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                      • Hair Bear
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 113

                        #86
                        I think some people are missing the point I was trying to make, the problem is not the sympathy factor its simply the fact that perhaps the real reason is that the medical community/society at large do not see this as a genuinely serious affliction or disease rather the perhaps see it as an opportunity for a prize, the kind that will insure your name is published... success in business rather than life.
                        I'm sure a lot more could be achieved if they all just worked together on this rather than chasing the prize, it reminds me of a mule chasing the dangling carrot on a string, the question is who is the biggest ass them or us?

                        I believe the entire industry needs a shake up and the vast landscape of scammers needs to be leveled and people need to be held accountable for their unsubstantiated claims and products which show no real world merit.

                        At the end of the day I have other goals in life but that does not mean I kick back and act as if this hair loss industry isn't a complete and utter joke.
                        Just like everyone I do have a bit of a self esteem problem due to my hair loss but when it comes to the hair loss industry my mind is not clouded by it.
                        My comments are made purely from personal experience or observations I have made.

                        Ask yourself, Would it really hurt Follica to release a picture of their progress to the public?

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                        • yeahyeahyeah
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 1776

                          #87
                          Originally posted by robodoc
                          Note Cotsarellis has so much hair I think we should just clone him.
                          He has hairloss.

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                          • hellouser
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2012
                            • 4419

                            #88
                            Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
                            He has hairloss.
                            No he does not:

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                            • yeahyeahyeah
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 1776

                              #89
                              Originally posted by hellouser
                              No he does not:

                              He has recession.

                              Norwood 2.

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                              • hellouser
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2012
                                • 4419

                                #90
                                Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah
                                He has recession.

                                Norwood 2.
                                If thats NW2, than I am an NW5.

                                He's got SLIGHTLY receded temples... but nothing more.

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