Dermarolling Community Trial

[LevonHelms]

Perhaps wounding + sun tanning could give SOME kind of benefits?

I'll let you know if does. I own a tanning salon, so it'll be pretty easy for me to throw some tanning sessions in the mix.

Shedding seems to have decreased in the past couple weeks for me, but I switched from Nizoral 2% weekly to Regenepure daily at about the same time so who knows. And I'm keeping a close eye on some vellus and a few terminal hairs that seem to have doubled in length all of a sudden.

[hellouser]

I'll let you know if does. I own a tanning salon, so it'll be pretty easy for me to throw some tanning sessions in the mix.

Shedding seems to have decreased in the past couple weeks for me, but I switched from Nizoral 2% weekly to Regenepure daily at about the same time so who knows. And I'm keeping a close eye on some vellus and a few terminal hairs that seem to have doubled in length all of a sudden.

Thanks man! I go to a tanning salon occasionally as well so I might hit the bed after a dermarolling session, perhaps go and sit for about 10-14 minutes (I don't like going for longer as it can increase chances of cancer of course, so I keep it moderate).

[Brock Landers]

Folica DIY

Hellhouser,

Around 3-4 years ago, this guy named Baccy over on on the Hair Site forum tried to replicate the follica experiments, He even provided pictures and everything. I remember in the beginning he was getting a lot of stubble, don't remember what happened in the end, i think it kind of tailed off.

One of the threads can be found if you go to that site and type in "Folica experimenting" and scroll to the bottom of search results. I definitely suggest you read up on what he did, might be useful for your experiements. About that time too, a lot of guys on that site were trying dermarolling too, nothing spectacular happened....

Brock

[Brock Landers]

35 years qyestion

35 years,

Since you work in a HT clinic, would you be able to inquire as to any risks of long term damage by eitiher normal microneedling or excessive microneedling. Is there a chance that we could be scarring, or if not scarring our skin, making it thicker such that it would harm results of a future transplant in the recepient area?

[NeedHairASAP]

http://www.ijtrichology.com/article.asp?issn=0974-7753;year=2013;volume=5;issue=1;spage=6;epage=11;aulast=Dhurat

Introduction: Dermal papilla (DP) is the site of expression of various hair growth related genes. Various researches have demonstrated the underlying importance of Wnt proteins and wound growth factors in stimulating DP associated stem cells. Microneedling works by stimulation of stem cells and inducing activation of growth factors. Materials and Methods: Hundred cases of mild to moderate (III vertex or IV) androgenetic alopecia (AGA) were recruited into 2 groups. After randomization one group was offered weekly microneedling treatment with twice daily 5% minoxidil lotion (Microneedling group); other group was given only 5% minoxidil lotion. After baseline global photographs, the scalp were shaved off to ensure equal length of hair shaft in all. Hair count was done in 1 cm 2 targeted fixed area (marked with tattoo) at baseline and at end of therapy (week 12). The 3 primary efficacy parameters assessed were: Change from baseline hair count at 12 weeks, patient assessment of hair growth at 12 weeks, and investigator assessment of hair growth at 12 weeks. A blinded investigators evaluated global photographic response. The response was assessed by 7- point scale. Results: (1) Hair counts - The mean change in hair count at week 12 was significantly greater for the Microneedling group compared to the Minoxidil group (91.4 vs 22.2 respectively). (2) Investigator evaluation - Forty patients in Microneedling group had +2 to +3 response on 7-point visual analogue scale, while none showed the same response in the Minoxidil group. (3) Patient evaluation - In the Microneedling group, 41 (82%) patients reported more than 50% improvement versus only 2 (4.5%) patients in the Minoxidil group. Unsatisfied patients to conventional therapy for AGA got good response with Microneedling treatment. Conclusion: Dermaroller along with Minoxidil treated group was statistically superior to Minoxidil treated group in promoting hair growth in men with AGA for all 3 primary efficacy measures of hair growth. Microneedling is a safe and a promising tool in hair stimulation and also is useful to treat hair loss refractory to Minoxidil therapy.

[DesperateOne]

Well today I did another pass of derma roller and I have to say that it was freaking painful as hell. I can feel the trauma setting in, like my head is pounding. The thing is that it got super red but no blood came out, I don't know what that says about me. Also, I where I noticed that when I rolled, I felt a lot of pain but I didn't really feel like it was going all the way in. What I then decided to do was to do it the long way, to put it in one place and press on it until I felt it went all the way in, and that does feel like it is doing much more. The only problem is that it took me like 30 minutes to do my head because I am a defuse thinner and so I had to press all my head. So in conclusion, I think it's more effective to just press and let the thing go all the way in and make sure, but you do have to put in more time regardless if you're a defuse thinner or not.

I also decided to take a little sunlight, I always wear a hat(that's the only way I feel kinda normal) and was socking up some vitamin D

[DesperateOne]

UPDATE: I think this will help a lot of guys out, I found a way that it seems reduce the pain a lot, by at least half. So when we're rolling or wounding, we usually just focus on the procedure, so that immediately boosts the pain. I think it's kinda like when you're eating lunch and if you actually pay attention to the taste, you will savor your lunch, if you just talk and eat, well then you will not taste much. So what I did was, I got a picture of a girl I like, and stared at it while wounding with my other hand. I wear on my life that it made it super less painful, to the point to where it was almost not noticeable. Anyways, it doesn't have to be a girl, but I suppose that with sex on your mind should reduce the pain the most. Good luck everyone.

[LevonHelms]

I prefer vodka, but whatever works

[greatjob!]

UPDATE: I think this will help a lot of guys out, I found a way that it seems reduce the pain a lot, by at least half. So when we're rolling or wounding, we usually just focus on the procedure, so that immediately boosts the pain. I think it's kinda like when you're eating lunch and if you actually pay attention to the taste, you will savor your lunch, if you just talk and eat, well then you will not taste much. So what I did was, I got a picture of a girl I like, and stared at it while wounding with my other hand. I wear on my life that it made it super less painful, to the point to where it was almost not noticeable. Anyways, it doesn't have to be a girl, but I suppose that with sex on your mind should reduce the pain the most. Good luck everyone.

OMFG!! This is so wrong!!

[the_dude78]

Hellhouser,

Around 3-4 years ago, this guy named Baccy over on on the Hair Site forum tried to replicate the follica experiments, He even provided pictures and everything. I remember in the beginning he was getting a lot of stubble, don't remember what happened in the end, i think it kind of tailed off.

One of the threads can be found if you go to that site and type in "Folica experimenting" and scroll to the bottom of search results. I definitely suggest you read up on what he did, might be useful for your experiements. About that time too, a lot of guys on that site were trying dermarolling too, nothing spectacular happened....

Brock

http://www.*************/hair-loss/f...-id-37248.html

Well, that was not very encouraging at all.. Does anybody know if he continuously wounded the area or was it just a one time thing? Seems like he only did it once.

[the_dude78]

UPDATE: I think this will help a lot of guys out, I found a way that it seems reduce the pain a lot, by at least half. So when we're rolling or wounding, we usually just focus on the procedure, so that immediately boosts the pain. I think it's kinda like when you're eating lunch and if you actually pay attention to the taste, you will savor your lunch, if you just talk and eat, well then you will not taste much. So what I did was, I got a picture of a girl I like, and stared at it while wounding with my other hand. I wear on my life that it made it super less painful, to the point to where it was almost not noticeable. Anyways, it doesn't have to be a girl, but I suppose that with sex on your mind should reduce the pain the most. Good luck everyone.

Okay...so that was a little weird..

I use a .5 mm roller first, I feel it helps to numb the scalp a little bit before I use the 1.5 mm

[the_dude78]

Doubt it, if anything, probably more. Just like Minox typically causes a shed when PGE2 levels are elevated, dermarolling should have a similar effect. Although noone has said anything about shedding except me though its most likely due to me getting off of RU and going through a summer minoxidil shed. Joy.

Yes, makes sense, but if they saw beginning of new hair growth already around the 6th week, I'm thinking it would also make sense that the weaker follicles would become stronger and keep growing the hair rather than just shedding the hair. If we shed the hair first, like we do on minox, I'm guessing it would take longer than 6 weeks for the hair to grow out again - more like ten to twelve weeks.

But it could also be that the cycle of the follicles has been accelerated, so that the dormant phase just simply is much shorter, and in the study the hair did grow noticeably faster the first week after rolling...so who knows..

[35YrsAfter]

Copper Peptides

Copper peptides are something else to consider...

They're naturally occurring small protein fragments that have high affinity to copper ions. In human plasma, the level of GHK-Cu is about 200 ng/ml at around age 20. As a person approaches 60, the level drops to 80 ng/ml. Studies conducted at different research facilities have established in humans, tripeptide GHK-Cu can promote activation of wound healing, attraction of immune cells, antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects, stimulation of collagen and glycosaminoglycan synthesis in skin fibroblasts and promotion of blood vessels growth. Recent studies also indicate its ability to modulate expression of a great number of human genes, generally reversing gene expression to a healthier state. Synthetic GHK-Cu is used in cosmetics as a reparative and anti-aging ingredient.

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[DanWS]

So what I did was, I got a picture of a girl I like, and stared at it while wounding with my other hand.

Sounds like a scene from a dark comedy. Or possibly a Stephen King.

[Chromeo]

Sounds pretty funny if you ask me. At least that other hand was busy wounding and not doing something else...