Dermarolling Community Trial

[Chromeo]

[Conpecia]

I think people should try what they want as long as enough of us are replicating the study with just wounding and minox. That way we can explore more avenues at the same time and compare results to the baseline treatment.

[Conpecia]

Guys, I think we're onto something with the dermarolling. If the trial doesn't produce excellent results, I'm almost certain some derivative or combination involving wounding will. I'm seeing some vellus hairs creep out and a few terminals around my hairline (fingers crossed).



There's an excellent explanation of VD3 and supplementing here;
http://crossfitwilmington.com/vitamin-d/

Nice dude, are you applying minox after rolling or waiting 24 hours?

[Artista]

Wow,,over 71,000 views on this thread.
You got my attention-lol.
Hopefully Joe from Staten will create a discussion about this topic on the next Live show.
OK Joe?!?

[hellouser]

Wow,,over 71,000 views on this thread.
You got my attention-lol.
Hopefully Joe from Staten will create a discussion about this topic on the next Live show.
OK Joe?!?

Hey dude, can you give some input on my comment here:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=142537&postcount=21

Thanks!

[Artista]

Hi Hellouser ,
I have read that comment of yours yesterday.
Just to let you know, I have been consciously trying not to talk too much about it. That does NOT mean that I am not focused on Dr Wesley's upcoming technique. I am in FULL AGREEMENT with Spencer's objective assertions that you have mentioned too.

As you may know , I have promised Dr Wesley that there are some aspects and specifics that i cannot share here, like percentage numbers, specific applications, etc
I will say that I feel very POSITIVE Hellouser,,VERY positive (and excited), on what may be available to us all in the near future regarding your statement.
Dr Wesley had said that I can share my experiences of his upcoming phase testing that I will be a patient of.
He said that if I were to try Finasteride that would be OK..which i have been using now for 23 days (no sides)
I dont know that I would be able to try out this Dermarolling technique right now though.
I will talk with the Dr about it later.

[hellouser]

Hi Hellouser ,
I have read that comment of yours yesterday.
Just to let you know, I have been consciously trying not to talk too much about it. That does NOT mean that I am not focused on Dr Wesley's upcoming technique. I am in FULL AGREEMENT with Spencer's objective assertions that you have mentioned too.

As you may know , I have promised Dr Wesley that there are some aspects and specifics that i cannot share here, like percentage numbers, specific applications, etc
I will say that I feel very POSITIVE Hellouser,,VERY positive (and excited), on what may be available to us all in the near future regarding your statement.
Dr Wesley had said that I can share my experiences of his upcoming phase testing that I will be a patient of.
He said that if I were to try Finasteride that would be OK..which i have been using now for 23 days (no sides)
I dont know that I would be able to try out this Dermarolling technique right now though.
I will talk with the Dr about it later.

Thank you!!

[hellouser]

Hi Hellouser ,
I have read that comment of yours yesterday.
Just to let you know, I have been consciously trying not to talk too much about it. That does NOT mean that I am not focused on Dr Wesley's upcoming technique. I am in FULL AGREEMENT with Spencer's objective assertions that you have mentioned too.

As you may know , I have promised Dr Wesley that there are some aspects and specifics that i cannot share here, like percentage numbers, specific applications, etc
I will say that I feel very POSITIVE Hellouser,,VERY positive (and excited), on what may be available to us all in the near future regarding your statement.
Dr Wesley had said that I can share my experiences of his upcoming phase testing that I will be a patient of.
He said that if I were to try Finasteride that would be OK..which i have been using now for 23 days (no sides)
I dont know that I would be able to try out this Dermarolling technique right now though.
I will talk with the Dr about it later.

Also, one last question! I know its a bit off topic here, but since you're already noticing my inquiries:

Could Pilofocus be used for body hair? Legs, arms, etc? I've got an abundance of leg hair, more or less about 3-5 individual strands of hair all the way up to my thighs, I've done some math and it should be around 5,000 grafts (or more than 10,000 hairs in total). It'd be pretty awesome to use body hair as filler and have donor hair from the back of the head as the main hair.

Thanks again!

[Artista]

I don't believe his new technique would make body hair or beard hair any more applicable than they are now. It's still all depends on The doctor and the patient. Dr. Yates has explained body and beard hair usage pretty well before. If the donor hair can be regrown/regenerated at a good percentage and the quality of said hair consistently remains normal, Then there possibly would not be a need for body/beard hair.. That is all speculation right now. The examples Of donor regeneration that Spencer and I have seen During that PowerPoint presentation Is still quite anecdotal But very promising!!

[DesperateOne]

what about latisse supposed to be better than minoxidil but expensive if you use 1ml a day,then theres miconazole nitrate which you could use with minoxidil worth a try,as its cheap as chips check out videos on you tube on how to use micon i myself have mixed it with emu oil you can use the cream and then apply the greasy minox or foam.

So you're suggesting we add vaginal mesh into the mix? Where is the resource that suggest this might work? Also, the 2% is good from amazon?

http://www.amazon.com/Miconazole-Nitrate-%25-Antifungal-Cream/dp/B00164LKQ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377282575&sr=8-1&keywords=miconazole+nitrate

Well I did see some videos on youtube but I don't know where they got that idea from and most of them are just affiliate assholes trying to sell you something. So those videos can't really be trusted no matter what they say.

[DesperateOne]

Found this on youtube

Maybe we can use this with Derma Rolling

TREATMENT FOR BALDNESS AND/OR THINNING HAIR

Supplies NEEDED:

Budget: $40

1) Miconazole Nitrate 2% (Monistat 7 or any generic version)
2) Eggs
3) Mayonnaise
4) Deep Conditioner of your choice (preferrably one with Water (aqua) as its first ingredient and does not contain mineral oil, Petrolatum/Petrolium
5) Cleansing conditioner (without sulfate or sulfur of any kind)
6) Cap, Do-rag, or pillowcase made of silk or satin.
7) Extra Virgin Olive Oil

Directions...

Daily:

A)Apply Deep Conditioner twice a day (first thing in the morning and then mid day) with one part deep conditioner and one part olive oil. (usually a palm full of both combined is enough - add more if necessary)

B)Every night before bed, wash hair ONLY USING Cleansing conditioner. When done, immediately massage ample amount of Miconazole Nitrate to balding or thinning areas and sleep with or on protective cap or garment (silk or satin cap).

Note that hair or scalp should be "slick" with Miconazole Nitrate after application. If not, apply more.

AFTER SEVEN DAYS, YOUR NEW GROWTH WILL NEED PROTEIN TO REMAIN STRONG!!!

This is where the eggs and mayo come in.

REPLACE the MID DAY MOISTURIZING with the following for this ONE DAY ONLY:

Mix one egg and one tablespoon of mayonnaise until well beaten and creamy. Generously apply to balding or thinning areas and leave on for one hour. Wash out with cleansing conditioner and cold water and while hair is still wet, apply generous amounts of deep conditioner and let dry. DO NOT TOWEL DRY.

Protein, while thickening, is EXTREMELY DRYING so your hair will need all the moisture it can get to survive.

Continue with daily routine. Note that this Egg and Mayo treament should ONLY be done after the first seven days of the routine, then once a month after.

A few extra tips:

Drink WATER WATER WATER... at LEAST 64oz per day and take a multivitamin (preferably one with fish oil and omega 3).
Also, You can stay out of the sun and protect your hair from heat as much as possible.


YOU WILL SEE RESULTS!

My results? 1/4 inch in ONE week on regular AND BALDING areas. That's 1 inch a month which is 12 inches a year. 2x faster than the average rate of hair growth.


On Balding areas, by the 9th day I had highly visible and strong new growth. I hope this helps someone and it is easy to follow!

[brunobald]

Acell + wounding. Has this ever been tried with a dermaroller?

[LevonHelms]

Nice dude, are you applying minox after rolling or waiting 24 hours?

I wait the 24 hrs. I've been following the trial pretty closely 1.5mm weekly with minoxidil every other day. The only major thing I do differently, is apply minox once daily at night. It is a copious amount though and I feel it's probably just as effective.

[RisingFist]

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0034152

Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Alopecia is the common hair loss problem that can affect many people. However, current therapies for treatment of alopecia are limited by low efficacy and potentially undesirable side effects. We have identified a new function for valproic acid (VPA), a GSK3beta inhibitor that activates the Wnt/beta-catenin pathway, to promote hair re-growth in vitro and in vivo.
METHODOLOGY/PRINCIPAL FINDINGS:
Topical application of VPA to male C3H mice critically stimulated hair re-growth and induced terminally differentiated epidermal markers such as filaggrin and loricrin, and the dermal papilla marker alkaline phosphatase (ALP). VPA induced ALP in human dermal papilla cells by up-regulating the Wnt/beta-catenin pathway, whereas minoxidil (MNX), a drug commonly used to treat alopecia, did not significantly affect the Wnt/beta-catenin pathway. VPA analogs and other GSK3beta inhibitors that activate the Wnt/beta-catenin pathway such as 4-phenyl butyric acid, LiCl, and BeCl(2) also exhibited hair growth-promoting activities in vivo. Importantly, VPA, but not MNX, successfully stimulate hair growth in the wounds of C3H mice.
CONCLUSIONS/SIGNIFICANCE:
Our findings indicate that small molecules that activate the Wnt/beta-catenin pathway, such as VPA, can potentially be developed as drugs to stimulate hair re-growth.
Epub 2012 Apr 10

http://pubmed.gov/22506014

full study and pictures:

http://www.plosone.org/article...Fjournal.pone.0034152

What do you guys think of valproic acid for wnt signaling? Or a safer alternative would be valerian root. I would use that internally at least for better sleep and it may help to signal growth factors when you're healing. Topically might be an idea as well.

[Tracy C]

what about latisse supposed to be better than minoxidil but...

We do not actually know that yet. It is expected to be at least as good as Minoxidil - but we do not yet actually know if it is better.

...then theres miconazole nitrate which you could use with minoxidil worth a try,as its cheap as chips check out videos on you tube....

Are you for real?

Miconozole is in the same family of drugs as Ketoconazole and yes it can be helpful in treating hair loss - but not as helpful as Ketoconazole.

Don't believe everything to see on Youtube, especially when it comes to treating hair loss.