Dermarolling Community Trial

[hellouser]

Everyone, just disregard chimera and his negativity. We should see this all the way, at least six months since that's how long it usually takes for new hair to appear. Don't mind his armchair scientist ego let you down, we all feel a difference. We obviously donh have super high quality cameras to take before and after pictures to make this pawn believe us. Nor do we have to prove anything to him, this is all experimentation and he has forgotten about that part.

I've posted this many times before but the term 'good quality' is so vague it is meaningless. Define 'good quality' ?? I can take a 5 year old point and shoot camera and take pictures of my hair and get results that would satisfy all of you with your expectations of a 2 thousand dollar digital SLR camera. Its not about a 'good quality' camera, its about knowing how to USE a camera.

You guys are starting to sound like John Madden;

'Todays game is about great football. Because playing great football is great football and playing great football is great football. These guys on the field are playing great football and if they weren't playing great football it'd just be mediocre football, but they're out there playing great football and thats what great football is all about'

Tracey is particularly guilty of this. Throws out the 'good quality' excuse without giving any definition behind it.

We're trying to be as scientific as possible here by potentially following Follica's wounding method so it requires great detail and we're just going to toss around 'good quality' as if it means something?

[chimera]

Everyone, just disregard chimera and his negativity. We should see this all the way, at least six months since that's how long it usually takes for new hair to appear. Don't mind his armchair scientist ego let you down, we all feel a difference. We obviously donh have super high quality cameras to take before and after pictures to make this pawn believe us. Nor do we have to prove anything to him, this is all experimentation and he has forgotten about that part.

I know we are all diferent. But the study we are following said three months. If we follow a protocol we saw at the study, yet we hope for a different outcome there's something wrong in here, can't you see it?

You can't choose to pick what you like or what you want, and to ignore what you don't want or you don't like. You can't just choose to follow the same metodology of the study, but choose for a different outcome, that is, an extended time-frame. You just want to convince yourself that you will see results in more time (which you may I admit).

If we are following a determined protocol, the least, the least we can do is to expect determined results (with the obvious variables we are bond to get), but right now the only constant is no results (that may change soon, I hope).

You tell "everyone" not to hear me, like if anybody trust you at all. In here and ***, you are seen by most people as nothing more than a psychotic. More than one have already pointed out how good choice you made with your username.

(Whatever, I already know I am not loved either).

[chimera]

By the way, I'm not saying we should stop just yet. I'm just criticising in my own way this part of the process, just as any other part of it should be. I'm still waiting for results, as awesome or humble as they might be. At this point I do think this will help us in some way or another.

As I said before, I don't think we'll get the same results the study pointed out, yet, just because we don't get the same results, that does not mean I think the use of the dermaroller or the wounding theory won't work in some way.

[gainspotter]

Updating my current regimen.
After dermarolling I am covering my scalp in 'essential' oils, leaving them for half an hour then shampooing with nizoral and adding minox.
See if anything happens.

[DesperateOne]

I know we are all diferent. But the study we are following said three months. If we follow a protocol we saw at the study, yet we hope for a different outcome there's something wrong in here, can't you see it?

You can't choose to pick what you like or what you want, and to ignore what you don't want or you don't like. You can't just choose to follow the same metodology of the study, but choose for a different outcome, that is, an extended time-frame. You just want to convince yourself that you will see results in more time (which you may I admit).

If we are following a determined protocol, the least, the least we can do is to expect determined results (with the obvious variables we are bond to get), but right now the only constant is no results (that may change soon, I hope).

You tell "everyone" not to hear me, like if anybody trust you at all. In here and ***, you are seen by most people as nothing more than a psychotic. More than one have already pointed out how good choice you made with your username.

(Whatever, I already know I am not loved either).

People have already contacted them and they admitted in being vague about some aspects of he protocol such as bleeding. Why can't you get that through you thick skull!? Also, I may be seen as desperate but I have done more than any one of you chickens has done. Why haven't any one you posted any pictures what so ever? Are you scared of the camera or what.

I said not to lisen to you because your comments implicitly say that after three months of replicating the study we see no results, then this is another quack treatment. May I remind you that a lot of people read this without posting.

@hellouser, well I don't know anymore about good quality. I know my pics are crap but if you take a look at the very first ones and one of the recent ones, then even with bay quality, you would be a fool not to see regrowth.

And yes, we are getting close to follica, specially now with that new patent, it was on of the important parts of the puzzle, but we still need to get som lithium.

[the_dude78]

Updating my current regimen.
After dermarolling I am covering my scalp in 'essential' oils, leaving them for half an hour then shampooing with nizoral and adding minox.
See if anything happens.

I'm not sure it is wise to add nizoral so soon. It has an anti-inflammatory effect.

[gainspotter]

I'm not sure it is wise to add nizoral so soon. It has an anti-inflammatory effect.

What would be the effect of adding it after? Sorry I'm not that clued up on it. I just think adding all the essentials immediately after would increase absorbtion and effect. I know the study isn't about increasing absorbtion I just want to mix it up a bit see if I get any results.

[MackJames]

People have already contacted them and they admitted in being vague about some aspects of he protocol such as bleeding. Why can't you get that through you thick skull!? Also, I may be seen as desperate but I have done more than any one of you chickens has done. Why haven't any one you posted any pictures what so ever? Are you scared of the camera or what.

I said not to lisen to you because your comments implicitly say that after three months of replicating the study we see no results, then this is another quack treatment. May I remind you that a lot of people read this without posting.

@hellouser, well I don't know anymore about good quality. I know my pics are crap but if you take a look at the very first ones and one of the recent ones, then even with bay quality, you would be a fool not to see regrowth.

And yes, we are getting close to follica, specially now with that new patent, it was on of the important parts of the puzzle, but we still need to get som lithium.

I haven't posted pictures yet because I buzzed my hair down to the scalp and wanted it to grow out some. My hair is almost completely gray white as well. Took my first pic on Tuesday

[Conpecia]

So they lied about the pictures? The pictures clearly say they are at 12 weeks


Why 6 months?
Again, I don't understand this kind of rationale people use when a treatment is not going the way they expected

This year people used the same rationale with indomethacin, just wait and pray, don't question anything

I'll complete the 12 weeks, but I'm realistic, people should stop reasoning with naive optimism

And we don't have "5 out of 10" if 50% of people trying it would be getting some results, I would be claiming this is a potential treatment in the future. Besides Prettyfly, no one has provided evidence of regrowth

THEN STOP AFTER 3 MONTHS. WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU MAN?

what are you trying to prove here? do you think i don't question the study too? do you think i am going to roll needles into my skull for 5 ****ing years just to see if it takes longer than 6 months?? i am doing it for 6 months because that's what experts TELL you to do with MOST hair treatments. i DO NOT think i will get results like the study. i DO NOT think we are on to the cure for male pattern baldness. i DO think that there is a SMALL ****ING CHANCE that i will see slightly improved growth on my hairline.

please tell me how that is naively optimistic??? enlighten me...

[bigentries]

THEN STOP AFTER 3 MONTHS. WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU MAN?

what are you trying to prove here? do you think i don't question the study too? do you think i am going to roll needles into my skull for 5 ****ing years just to see if it takes longer than 6 months?? i am doing it for 6 months because that's what experts TELL you to do with MOST hair treatments. i DO NOT think i will get results like the study. i DO NOT think we are on to the cure for male pattern baldness. i DO think that there is a SMALL ****ING CHANCE that i will see slightly improved growth on my hairline.

please tell me how that is naively optimistic??? enlighten me...

Wow, don't get so mad man, I know people don't like questioning here. That's what I call naive optimism, just see how you reacted, don't tell me you are not internalizing all this stuff

Experts tell you to wait 2 years with fin too. But you are comparing apple to oranges, the study clearly claimed amazing results in 12 weeks, that is enough to compare ourselves to the study.

Increasing time, using larger needles, putting semen on your head, it stopped being scientific a long time ago.

Don't see this as an attack, I'm still in, I'll complete 12 weeks, maybe will go to 14 because I don't think I performed the first two sessions with enough damage, I will also wish more people joined us and completed the 12 weeks as it should

But all of you that hang out at *** have just turned this thing into another mental masturbation circle that potential treatments end up falling, even some are claiming lots of people are showing results when the only clear evidence has been the one provided by Prettyfly

[greatjob!]

I'm also not sure what people are trying to accomplish arguing here. Are you trying to convince people to stop rolling after a certain time frame? What's the point of that?

If you want to stop then stop. If you want to roll for 10 years then roll for 10 years. Trying to convince someone to stop testing a certain treatment is only going to hurt yourself and everyone in the community. Let people do whatever they want, who cares, the more people trying different things for different periods of time the more information will be gained by the community.

If you are going to stop rolling after 12 weeks then go ahead and do that, but why would you try and convince everyone that your strategy is right and they should all do the same, it makes no sense.

[bigentries]

I'm also not sure what people are trying to accomplish arguing here. Are you trying to convince people to stop rolling after a certain time frame? What's the point of that?

If you want to stop then stop. If you want to roll for 10 years then roll for 10 years. Trying to convince someone to stop testing a certain treatment is only going to hurt yourself and everyone in the community. Let people do whatever they want, who cares, the more people trying different things for different periods of time the more information will be gained by the community.

If you are going to stop rolling after 12 weeks then go ahead and do that, but why would you try and convince everyone that your strategy is right and they should all do the same, it makes no sense.

Why doesn't it make some sense?
The study clearly said that at 12 weeks, extremely good results are shown. If you want to continue, continue, but you are not following the study anymore and just using cargo science logic

People have the right to state their opinion, if you don't have a solid point to back up your arguments, then don't post anything if you don't like the replies

Imagine if people didn't have the right to state that stuff like CG 210 is crap. Should we stop replying just because habemus is going to be offended?

What about lasers, micropigmentation, etc.?

[greatjob!]

Why doesn't it make some sense?
The study clearly said that at 12 weeks, extremely good results are shown. If you want to continue, continue, but you are not following the study anymore and just using cargo science logic

People have the right to state their opinion, if you don't have a solid point to back up your arguments, then don't post anything if you don't like the replies

Imagine if people didn't have the right to state that stuff like CG 210 is crap. Should we stop replying just because habemus is going to be offended?

What about lasers, micropigmentation, etc.?

You are way off topic and making irrelevant comparisons. Why would you discourage people to stop rolling after 12 weeks? What does anyone gain from that? That's what makes no sense.

I know what the study said and what the time frame was, however show me one single treatment for hairloss that you would expect to show results at 3 months. They don't exist. So thinking that if you don't see results after 3 months then everyone should stop, isn't logical. This was a pilot study, if a follow up study was conducted it would no doubt have longer and varying time periods. So I don't think we should be trying to replicate the study exactly with regards to the time frame, instead we should be trying to conduct our own follow up study to see if results can improve with an increase in duration.

Also speaking up against snake oils that are very expensive is good for everyone, because it saves people money. However that is not equivalent to speaking up about derma rolling, it cost next to nothing so by speaking up and getting people to stop you're not really helping anyone. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing and trying to show people on the internet that you have a superior scientific mind, trust me we are all so impressed.

[LevonHelms]

Alright, alright, break it up guys.

Let's get a head count.
How many people do we have out there following the study? Lurkers this includes you. Sign in.

A simple yay or nay, what week you're on, and perceived results (good or bad).



Yes. Week 9. Lots of vellus, a few terminals, rapid growth.

[chimera]

Yes. Week 9. Lots of vellus, a few terminals, rapid growth.

For real?. I don't think anybody will get the same awesome results that the study suggested, but if you could prove something like this I would get somewhat excited indeed. Anyway, I suppose you have your reasons to not post pics yet.