So how close are we to a new 'cure'

[bibz]

Respectfully, I strongly disagree. A NW2 can still look genuinely balding if diffuse, and the existing treatments can do little to thicken their hair. Also, diffuse balders cannot get hair transplants at present. New treatments are sorely needed for low Norwoods, although I do agree with you that unfortunately that won't be any time soon.

Totally wrong, in the next 10 years all nw1-2 and 3 will be cured for sure, the question is for the totally bald guyz, its a different case, i think that we will not be able to see a nw6-7--->nw1 in the next 10 years.
And thanks to histogen or replicel the diffuse balding guyz will get a serious help.

[hellouser]

One thing KO1 is right about is that if more doctors thought like Dr. Nigam, then we'd be in much better shape. But instead, most doctors are content on churning out hair transplants like there's no tomorrow and not innovating in any way.

Thats because they took a page out of the corporate world, companies like Apple, or Bell Communications in Canada:

Do as little as possible while continuously charging inflated rates for the same crappy service. Sit back, and watch the stream of money pour in.

They have no need to improve if they're making profits... and they're making a KILLING as it is.

A new company needs to emerge and slap the shit out of these stone age crooks and bring a new and superior treatment that the public needs and wants. This is all about dollars... theres no room for empathy, and if you don't agree with that, just think a little harder about the slow process for finding a cure to baldness and the constant gimping society has done for us. Its disgusting.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Hellouser, you're right. A cure or at least a very effective treatment is not that far away at all. You actually posted something very encouraging the other day about how Japan is likely expediting all clinical trials on stem cell procedures. This could make Team Tsuji's hair regrowth methods available to us sooner rather than later. And if Aderans and Replicel moved their operations to Japan, we could have their treatments available to us in the near future.

One thing KO1 is right about is that if more doctors thought like Dr. Nigam, then we'd be in much better shape. But instead, most doctors are content on churning out hair transplants like there's no tomorrow and not innovating in any way.

[KO1]

Yeah...this is the study I think. Heck, Breedis first saw regeneration in rabbits in 1954....and what the hell happened to this line of research until 2007?


That being said, hellouser has a point that we're moving a lot faster than before. If more doctors thought like Nigam, maybe we'd have gotten there faster. I just don't think the pipeline is that strong.

[Pentarou]

Vast knowledge or none at all, its a joke to say we're a long way away... whats that supposed to mean anyway, several generations away, as in, not in our lifetime? We *are* close. When in history have we ever been able to create skin and follicles? Lauster's already done it. Case closed.

It's not that simple, unfortunately. I mean, for example there was a study in 1959 (1959!) on scalp dermabrasion causing neogenesis of follicles, basically an earlier version of what Follica is attempting with their supposed treatments - that didn't mean that a dermabrasion treatment or cure was just round the corner.

[KO1]

Also, don't forget that finasteride doesn't work forever, so even if a NW1 guy with very, very early visible hair loss isn't "cured" by fin no matter how long they take it.

I disagree on this point. You have seen the 10 year fin study? Some develop sides down the line, and need to get off for sure, but most do ok.

I agree that we need more treatments, but the whole "it's great for NW3's" just doesn't strike me as particularly exciting. But every bit helps.

Also, I am not as knowledgeable as you suggest, I'm just regurgitating publicly available info.

[hellouser]

Also, don't forget that finasteride doesn't work forever, so even if a NW1 guy with very, very early visible hair loss isn't "cured" by fin no matter how long they take it.

It doesn't work for everyone either.

[hellouser]

KO1 is easily one of the most knowledgeable people here, so unfortunately he is most likely right about this. These new treatments are a long way away.


I don't think it will be for a very long time, even when/if CB-03-01 is widely available. I'm well aware of its severe limitations, but it works, and has plenty of data behind it, so it going to be part of the hair loss battler's arsenal for the foreseeable future.

Vast knowledge or none at all, its a joke to say we're a long way away... whats that supposed to mean anyway, several generations away, as in, not in our lifetime? We *are* close. When in history have we ever been able to create skin and follicles? Lauster's already done it. Case closed.

[Pentarou]

Also, don't forget that finasteride doesn't work forever, so even if a NW1 guy with very, very early visible hair loss isn't "cured" by fin no matter how long they take it.

[KO1]

Respectfully, I a disagree. A NW2 can still look genuinely balding if diffuse, and the existing treatments can do little to thicken their hair. Also, diffuse balders cannot get hair transplants at present. New treatments are sorely needed for low Norwoods, although I do agree with you that unfortunately that won't be any time soon.

Maybe I just have low standards then.

[Pentarou]

NW3 and below don't need any new treatments. If they can tolerate fin (or Dut or CB) an HT would set them up very well for many years. Someone less than NW3 can't even be noted as balding.

Respectfully, I strongly disagree. A NW2 can still look genuinely balding if diffuse, and the existing treatments can do little to thicken their hair. Also, diffuse balders cannot get hair transplants at present. New treatments are sorely needed for low Norwoods, although I do agree with you that unfortunately that won't be any time soon.

[Conpecia]

Finasteride is a great treatment for hairloss, and every man who is losing his hair should seriously consider it, ideally before that hairloss becomes visible. Side effects are overblown and exaggerated, and it remains THE gold standard for treatment, and nothing has surpassed it yet.

this is an insult to a lot of guys on this forum. myself included. i'd appreciate it if you just wouldn't speak on stuff you clearly know little about.

[Pentarou]

Your belief is wrong.

KO1 is easily one of the most knowledgeable people here, so unfortunately he is most likely right about this. These new treatments are a long way away.

Another reason why finasteride should be a FOOTNOTE in hair loss history.

I don't think it will be for a very long time, even when/if CB-03-01 is widely available. I'm well aware of its severe limitations, but it works, and has plenty of data behind it, so it going to be part of the hair loss battler's arsenal for the foreseeable future.

[KO1]

IF they create new follicles, I suspect yes, they will be DHT resistant.

[hellouser]

no, i mean when I go for a hair transplant....as I am having it done a proper cure will probably be announced knowing my luck.

Well, if you want results NOW, I'd say go for it. But its a safe bet nothing will be out for at least another year. 2 years imo is the earliest. But if Aderans got up to speed next year could be possible, and if SkinMedica didn't have shitheads at their company, their failed lawsuit would have enable Histogen to release a product by now.