Dr Cole-Dr Nigam to meet up!!

[yeahyeahyeah]

Then you may be just fine.

Feel free to experiment with things like RU or CB or w/e.

But if you're a guy who has significant loss ahead of him, I don't think you can be picky about sides, and I find it amusing when people complain about "watery semen". Really buddy?

That's why it's not a safe drug. Nobody should get onto a drug and experience irreversible sides (of this nature) to begin with.

Merck are just capitalising on the insecurities of balding men. That's it.

[yeahyeahyeah]

So should men stop taking the drug because your libido is lowered on finasteride? Should we ignore the vast literature that defends its safety? The sides you stated were pretty moderate, "libido, watery ejaculate" (did you have persistent ED? That is more severe, and you didn't state that), but I'll take your word for it.

It still does not change the safety profile of the drug. You may suffer from sides, but let's take my case, I've suffered plenty because I didn't take the drug earlier, and more importantly, the data backs my argument.

Fin worked for you and that's great, but again if you have persistent sides like chrisis has there is a lack of support. And that is the problem.

If it was a safe drug it will in addition to working have a good strong contingency plan if in the event it doesn't work - which it doesn't.

I also hate how you are downplaying his sides; when it's obviously bothering him enough to write about them. The worst thing is too, and this goes back to an earlier point. If he didnt carry the balding gene, he wouldn't have to experience them to begin with regardless of DHT level!

It's unfair like shit that we are having to play Russian roulette with our health.

[Phatalis]

Then you may be just fine.

Feel free to experiment with things like RU or CB or w/e.

But if you're a guy who has significant loss ahead of him, I don't think you can be picky about sides, and I find it amusing when people complain about "watery semen". Really buddy?

after reading about all the "future treatments" and theri current status... I probably will get on fin in the next year or two if my hair continues to go.

[KO1]

Then you may be just fine.

Feel free to experiment with things like RU or CB or w/e.

But if you're a guy who has significant loss ahead of him, I don't think you can be picky about sides, and I find it amusing when people complain about "watery semen". Really buddy?

[Phatalis]

So you are not depressed now? I have a feeling you're a NW2, with minimal recession, so you're willing to tolerate it and think about sides.

How bad is your hair loss btw? Is it aggressive? The way I see it, if you have mild hairloss like yeahyeah, you can afford to be picky, but if you have a fast moving pattern, then you need to take risks to save your hair.

Assuming you have moderate to aggressive MPB:
Probability of going bald = 100%
Probability of maintaining hair with fin = 85%
Probability of losing hair on fin = 15%
Probability of sides = 5-6%
Probability of persistent sides = <5%

Statistically, I think the winner is obvious.

I mean you're probably right yeah.. my hairloss is worse cause I messed it up but im like a NW 2 - 2.5

its not that bad and yeah I can be picky for now. if I was in a worse situation and thank god im not I might be all on fin. so you're right.

I want to take it but im too scared. maybe itll change someday when Im hitting worse NW

I mean shit.. if I could just pop fin and be ok with maintaining.. I'd literally be ****ing a-ok right now. Fin would probably save all of my hair.

I consider giving it another go every now and then ...then I read stories... and it just seems.. too risky.

[Phatalis]

Did you try dut?

i took fin long enough for my mind to make me at least believe something was going on.. i felt a coldness in my penis.

Could it have been in my head? abso-****ing-lutely. it probably was. I tend to not be one of those people in many situations that gets screwed over..

as in - i dont have allergies.. I don't really have any meds I cant take.. so I'd probably be fine and it probably was in my head.

but at the same time I consider.. what happens when its too late? I have to try the drug to see ... and where is the line drawn from where I know im ok.. or to where ive done too much damage to come back from..

I mean i see what you're saying but regardless even if there is a lot of fake shit the fact remains there are plenty of people who DO SUFFER from propecia..

in the vast amount of numbers out there there is some truth. its all up to the person to toss that coin and see and to me even tossing it isnt worth it.

[KO1]

Literally im just scared after reading that shit. and I'd LOVE TO GIVE MERCK MONEY if I knew that it worked for me and I wouldnt lose my dick... or get depressed.. or any of that shit.

So you are not depressed now? I have a feeling you're a NW2, with minimal recession, so you're willing to tolerate it and think about sides.

How bad is your hair loss btw? Is it aggressive? The way I see it, if you have mild hairloss like yeahyeah, you can afford to be picky, but if you have a fast moving pattern, then you need to take risks to save your hair.

Assuming you have moderate to aggressive MPB:
Probability of going bald = 100&#37;
Probability of maintaining hair with fin = 85%
Probability of losing hair on fin = 15%
Probability of sides = 5-6%
Probability of persistent sides = <5%

Statistically, I think the winner is obvious.

The way I see it, reward comes with risk. Know the risks and the reward...the biggest variable IMO, and what will push your decision, is your rate of hair loss (and how much it bothers you). If you have mild loss, the reward is not large, but if you have aggressive loss, the reward is substantial.

[Phatalis]

You need to get a grip. You are so scared, I'm willing to bet, as soon as you try the drug, you'll name all these exotic side effects...

dude. i wouldnt "make shit up" you're acting like I have something to gain from hating fin and its ****ing retarded.

Literally im just scared after reading that shit. and I'd LOVE TO GIVE MERCK MONEY if I knew that it worked for me and I wouldnt lose my dick... or get depressed.. or any of that shit.

I'm not big on hugely altering drugs... anti-depressents etc etc.. I've seen those things **** people up.. and find is just a different version of it all and im just scared.

its that simple.

Hearing Chrisis scares me enough to say I'd rather be bald.. which sucks ass also.. but I mean..

[KO1]

Propecia didn't help me. So booooooooo from me.

Did you try dut?

[KO1]

im not in a ****ing brigade lol. what the **** would I out of that dummy?? lol
im just scared shitless and heard too much bad shit to take it. if I knew it worked for me fine I'd take it right ****ing now. hell I wish there was a way to screen.

You need to get a grip. You are so scared, I'm willing to bet, as soon as you try the drug, you'll name all these exotic side effects...

[KO1]

My side effects were actually very bad. It's been 15 months since I used it and I'm still not back to normal. I have good and bad spells and I don't know if I'll ever get back to where I was before I took it. I get lots of emails from guys who are devastated about side effects they're suffering.

So should men stop taking the drug because your libido is lowered on finasteride? Should we ignore the vast literature that defends its safety? The sides you stated were pretty moderate, "libido, watery ejaculate" (did you have persistent ED? That is more severe, and you didn't state that), but I'll take your word for it.

It still does not change the safety profile of the drug. You may suffer from sides, but let's take my case, I've suffered plenty because I didn't take the drug earlier, and more importantly, the data backs my argument.

[Phatalis]

Which side is severe? Lower libido is moderate. Reduced ejaculate volume is typical due to prostate shrinkage. Fewer random boners is again, hardly serious.

We have a great drug for maintaining our hair, and people don't want to take it because of "lower sensitivity", "watery semen", or "fewer random boners"? You're positioning Chris's story as a horrible ordeal to convince people to stop taking fin, but really, a number of these things are hardly serious.

Not even getting into the fact that these sides are in the small minority...yeah, the anti fin brigade has a real convincing argument.

im not in a ****ing brigade lol. what the **** would I out of that dummy?? lol
im just scared shitless and heard too much bad shit to take it. if I knew it worked for me fine I'd take it right ****ing now. hell I wish there was a way to screen.

[chrisis]

Furthermore, Chris's side effects are not particularly severe:



These sides seem fairly moderate, and typical for those who get sides, which is a small portion of the population.

My side effects were actually very bad. It's been 15 months since I used it and I'm still not back to normal. I have good and bad spells and I don't know if I'll ever get back to where I was before I took it. I get lots of emails from guys who are devastated about side effects they're suffering.

[FearTheLoss]

Well discuss it somewhere else! Not in the Cutting Edge/Future Treatments section, seeing as it is an outdated, potentially unsafe treatment!

agreed..for the love of god.


Now, Dr. Nigam, Dr. Cole..can we get any more information on this?

[Breaking Bald]

^What else are we going to discuss? Histogen failing? Replicel failing? ARI failing?


For the vast majority of the balding population, the solution to hair loss is early detection + fin usage + HT. If you fall outside that, then you need to pray for these treatments.

Well discuss it somewhere else! Not in the Cutting Edge/Future Treatments section, seeing as it is an outdated, potentially unsafe treatment!