Dr Cole-Dr Nigam to meet up!!

[Arashi]

That data is flat out wrong, I've pointed it out to you before, but you keep posting it.

"1.1% to 18.5%"...which one btw? 1.1 or 18.5%? LMAO.

Yeah i keep posting it because it is THE website for adverse side effects. Obviously there's a good deal of variance in study results. Just one of the many reasons I don't trust Merck's study's for a bit. Anyway ... BYE

[KO1]

That data is flat out wrong, I've pointed it out to you before, but you keep posting it. Nevertheless, I'll refresh your memory. What study is it from? Is it a double blind study? Single blind? Public opinion poll? Who is the treatment population? You have no answer.

"1.1% to 18.5%"...which one btw? 1.1% or 18.5%? LMAO.

Your problem is that double blind, placebo controlled studies, all place the incidence of sides at about 5%...but we can't let data get in the way of a good sob story.


Furthermore, who the hell are you to decide for others whether a 0.1% chance of PFS is worth it? You keep saying it's not worth it to you, then why are you constantly telling others to stop?

[Arashi]

If you want to scare guys out of taking a beneficial drug just to satiate your fear of it, then go to propeciahelp.com. They will love you over there.

You don't take fin, never have, know nothing about the drug, yet you incessantly post information that is flatly untrue, you scare people about it "fin is poison!". Why? Did you get secondhand side effects?

Nope I will never take fin because of this:

Genitourinary side effects have included impotence (1.1% to 18.5%), abnormal ejaculation (7.2%), decreased ejaculatory volume (0.9% to 2.8%), abnormal sexual function (2.5%), gynecomastia (2.2%), erectile dysfunction (1.3%), ejaculation disorder (1.2%), and testicular pain.
Nervous system side effects including decreased libido (1.6% to 10.0%), dizziness (7.4%), and somnolence (1.7%) have been reported.
Cardiovascular side effects including postural hypotension (9.1%) and hypotension (1.2%) have been reported.

Oh and then there's increased risk of cancer.

I'd rather go bald than take those risks. You feel that keeping your hair is more important so you take fin. Perfectly fine with me. But I hate repeating myself and we're only running in circles so I'm afraid you'll need to find somebody else to satisfy your hobby.

[KO1]

If you want this forum to be just about what YOU think, maybe you should start a blog.

If you want to scare guys out of taking a beneficial drug just to satiate your fear of it, then go to propeciahelp.com. They will love you over there.

You don't take fin, never have, know nothing about the drug, yet you incessantly post information that is flatly untrue, you scare people about it "fin is poison!". Why? Did you get secondhand side effects?

If you choose not to take fin, go on with your life, stop telling people to not take the medication.

[Breaking Bald]

You guys really need to get a room

[Arashi]

Then keep your opinion to yourself, and stop actively discouraging people from using the drug.

If you want this forum to be just about what YOU think, maybe you should start a blog.

[KO1]

You don't seem to understand what people are saying. Even if the risk of persistent impotence is 0.1%, some people feel that keeping their hair is not worth that risk.

Then keep your opinion to yourself, and stop actively discouraging people from using the drug. You do not take the drug, I believe never have, and yet you post on and on about it.

[Arashi]

But arguing this is fun.

You should go and work for Merck. Make a living out of your hobby.

Fin haters cry about the drug, I post evidence showing they're wrong. They cry more, and so it goes...

You don't seem to understand what people are saying. Even if the risk of persistent impotence is 0.1%, some people feel that keeping their hair is not worth that risk.

Anyway enjoy debating this for another 10+ pages.

[35YrsAfter]

I just asked Dr. Cole what he thinks of finasteride. His response was; it does work in some cases, but it's minimally effective. Some doctors are selling a topical treatment that is a combination of minoxidil and finasteride. Dr. Cole questions whether finasteride can be absorbed through the skin. Finasteride identical twin studies would be worthwhile.

The bottom line is, we need hair loss treatments that are more effective than what are currently available.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
Cole Hair Transplant
1070 Powers Place
Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
Phone 678-566-1011
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions.

[KO1]

I'm not saying people 'shouldn't take this drug'. I'm saying people should think very hard before making any decisions , do not put words in my mouth. I have no proof, it is speculation but DHT is there for a reason like the rest of our hormones. It is after all a sex hormone, playing about with it is not logical!! It may or may not have cognitive implications also.

I agree that one should know the risks, but surely you are aware of the crowd that goes, "don't take this drug, it is poison". Arashi falls into this category, and that's who I'm responding to.

Nevertheless, I suspect we may have this discussion again, but 3 times before the end of the week.

[TravisB]

Stop with the offtop ffs!!

[joely]

Going a fraction of topic here folks

[Breaking Bald]

If you want to say there will be a harm, you have to specify it, and give some details. The burden of proof is on YOU. Just saying "something really really bad might happen, so people shouldn't take the drug" is not an argument, and it is not grounds for ACTIVELY discouraging people from taking the drug - what Arashi does.


FYI, Merck is not the only one that has studied the drug. Even independent scholars, you might be familiar with the Rossi study have done 10 yr tests on it.

I'm not saying people 'shouldn't take this drug'. I'm saying people should think very hard before making any decisions , do not put words in my mouth. I have no proof, it is speculation but DHT is there for a reason like the rest of our hormones. It is after all a sex hormone, playing about with it is not logical!! It may or may not have cognitive implications also.

[Zao]

Genitourinary side effects have included impotence (1.1% to 18.5%), abnormal ejaculation (7.2%), decreased ejaculatory volume (0.9% to 2.8%), abnormal sexual function (2.5%), gynecomastia (2.2%), erectile dysfunction (1.3%), ejaculation disorder (1.2%), and testicular pain
Nervous system side effects including decreased libido (1.6% to 10.0%), dizziness (7.4%), and somnolence (1.7%) have been reported.
Cardiovascular side effects including postural hypotension (9.1%) and hypotension (1.2%) have been reported.


http://www.drugs.com/sfx/propecia-side-effects.html

Here's a good study for you.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/health/story/2011/03/New-study-links-pain-relievers-to-erectile-dysfunction/44363996/1

These drugs, including aspirin, seem to cause ED in a much greater percentage of men than Propecia and this was a huge study. Guess we should all boycott Advil!

[KO1]

Lol, exactly my point. In no way is playing with a males hormones sensible, we do not know the potential dangers, so why risk it? You keep arguing your point, what evidence do you have? Merck's outdated, questionable trials? No thanks.

If you want to say there will be a harm, you have to specify it, and give some details. The burden of proof is on YOU. Just saying "something really really bad might happen, so people shouldn't take the drug" is not an argument, and it is not grounds for ACTIVELY discouraging people from taking the drug - what Arashi does. There is a difference being concerned about long term effects, and what Arashi is doing.


FYI, Merck is not the only one that has studied the drug. Even independent scholars, you might be familiar with the Rossi study have done 10 yr tests on it.