Dr Nigams - NSN Donor regeneration!

[hellouser]

First of all, where is it labeled as example ? It's not.

Christ, do you need a sign that says 'sarcasm' or tells when someone is being facetious? I was mocking you.

Fine print under first photo:

You call that fine print? Its pretty obvious its sub copy. Do you know what point size is? Well, it kind of directly relates to 'fine print'.

"After 2 months by this result it is predicted that the patient should have 35000-40000 hair ny one year." This suggests that this patient actually got treated with "stem cells, growth factors + PRP"

LMAO!!!! Only in your world does the word 'prediction' mean 'currently' But thats what your problem is, you have trouble understanding verbiage.... and sarcasm.

(as it says in the text above the picture) and that the 2 months result, as it shows in the photoshopped picture, indicates that this patient will have 40k hairs in one year.

So to you this means that the procedure already took place?

How is that not misleading when he never treated that patient ?

I've already stated that the grammar and spelling is completely botched thus confusing and doesn't mean anything. The prediction hints that its an example of whats to be expected. But does 'after 2 months by this result' mean to you it already took place?

And if he DID treat patients like that and DID generate 40k hairs for a guy who's NW6, then where's the proof (other than that photoshopped picture) ?

I'd rather see a real case of it than photoshopped photos, conceptual or fraud, I don't care, I want *REAL* documentation. (I looked closer at the photographs, and theyre both photoshopped, I'll prove how in a bit).

Subscript under 2nd photo even suggests that the patient will get 60k hairs and it is suggested that this patient got Stem cells, growth factor and arterial PRP which will result in 60k graft.

Subscript? I thought it was fine print?

How is all this not misleading exactly ?

It's bullsh*t copy writing, I can't fully understand the copy in either photos.

If Dr Nigam would operate a Western company, would place and keep these commercials on his website and got sued, do you really think he'd win that case ?

Depends. If he actually performed his procedure and the patient didn't get what was claimed, then yes, the patient would have grounds to sue and would and should win.

Problem is, a lot of times doctors have waivers before procedures exempting the doctors from any wrongdoing or false claims... and THATS where all the fine print lies where the patient is going to be held accountable for, NOT the doctor. And thats exactly how my mom got SCREWED by a chinese doctor, claiming one thing but getting away with because of the waiver. This is Canada.

If someone caught on in the Western world and state law was against false advertising, and I'm willing to bet it is 99% of the time to an extent, hence the mcdonalds example since thats also false advertising but perfectly legal, then he'd probably get a fine, be forced to take it down and get a ton of negative publicity which is far more damaging than anything else as it will ultimately SINK the business. To what degree would he be punished though? I don't know but fines are pretty standard. Suspension maybe? License revoked? Who knows. But the publicity would be much worse.

If so, then I must really retract my earlier statement regarding Didi being the biggest idiot on this forum.

Don't worry, you covered this area nicely yourself.

Anyway it surely must be a pleasure for Dr Nigam to see that there are actually people here who think what he's done is merely only somewhat 'unethical'.

And this is why you can't be taken seriously because you don't stick to the facts. Please quote me ANYWHERE where you claim I've said its 'only somewhat unethical'. I clearly said is shady and unethical and I frown upon it. But I've already pointed out your selective but now you twist the facts? Get real.

[Arashi]

Man, what am I even doing here. I'm trying to lecture a chimpanzee on the difference between something illegal and something unethical. It's useless. Anyway it surely must be a pleasure for Dr Nigam to see that there are actually people here who think what he's done is merely only somewhat 'unethical'.

[Arashi]

That'd be like Arashi seeing a sketch of a concept car from Ferrari and crying about it being a doctored car and then telling everyone its ILLEGAL!!!! OMG! ILLEGAL! YOU CAN'T SHOW CONCEPTS OR EXAMPLES EVEN WHEN THEYRE LABELED AS SUCH!

First of all, where is it labeled as example ? It's not. Fine print under first photo: "After 2 months by this result it is predicted that the patient should have 35000-40000 hair ny one year." This suggests that THIS patient, in the photo, actually got treated with "stem cells, growth factors + PRP" (as it says in the text above the picture) and that the 2 months result, as it shows in the photoshopped picture, indicates that this patient will have 40k hairs in one year. How is that not misleading when he never treated that patient ? And if he DID him and DID generate 40k hairs for a guy who's NW6, then where's the proof (other than that photoshopped picture) ?

Subscript under 2nd photo even suggests that the patient will get 60k hairs and it is suggested that this patient got Stem cells, growth factor and arterial PRP which will result in 60k graft.

How is all this not misleading exactly ? If Dr Nigam would operate a Western company, would place and keep these commercials on his website and got sued, do you really think he'd win that case ? If so, then I must really retract my earlier statement regarding Didi being the biggest idiot on this forum.

And to come back at your Ferrari example: yeah this is quite similar. If a company advertises with a commercial where they show you a 2013 brand new Ferrari for hire, $500 a day, you wire them the money and then they hand you over a playmobil kids toy, would you be ok with that ?

[Arashi]

Precisely why I didn't really say if what he did was legal or illegal because I don't know what India's laws are like

Ehm... And didn't I say this:

A good, honest doctor is not going to use 'trickery' like this. I'm sure in any Western country, having photoshopped pictures on your website like this is enough to have your medical license retracted.

and this:

No. I'm sure this is illegal in the Netherlands and in most Western countries for that matter.

And then you lecture me on semantics ? You're really a funny character. What university was that again you attended ? The Mickey Mouse university in Disney World, where 'professor Didi' lectured ?

[hellouser]

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Originally Posted by hellouser
It looks like a very faint grey spot. There's no visible hair present though. But 8/9 hairs regrew, which is good.

I'm just wondering, if Nigam didn't really extract any grafts surrounding that mole but merely clipped some skin, to simulate regrowth, would that be illegal or just merely unethical, according you ?


legal/illegal..depends on Indias laws, imo its unethical

for example, marijuana..if you smoke in holland, no probs....if you do it in saudi arabia you get hanged

Precisely why I didn't really say if what he did was legal or illegal because I don't know what India's laws are like. I made note of this when I mentioned it all depends on state law but I also made it clear multiple times its shady and unethical, though this went right through Arashi's thick skull. Equally important is the fact that he never bothered to READ the copy below those photoshopped pictures which at least one was clearly showing a prediction... or a 'mock up' of the final result. It didn't state itself as a documented case or actual results from a past patient.

God damn some people need to be SPOON FED information. Its as if they need a BIG LABEL saying 'THESE ARE PREDICTIONS'

So yeah, I guess I retract my comments at least partially about Dr. Nigam being shady/unethical since the description is clear as mud as to what the photo is (at least in one photo, the other is a mess and the copy in it is ambiguous as hell).

That'd be like Arashi seeing a sketch of a concept car from Ferrari and crying about it being a doctored car and then telling everyone its ILLEGAL!!!! OMG! ILLEGAL! YOU CAN'T SHOW CONCEPTS OR EXAMPLES EVEN WHEN THEYRE LABELED AS SUCH! I NEED BIGGER FONT TO LET ME KNOW THEY'RE CONCEPTS! I'M HUNGRY FOR MCDONALDS! MY FEELINGS ARE MORE VALID THAN STATE LAWS! I'M AN EXPERT ON LEGAL COPY WRITING! GIVE ME MY BURGER!

Pretty ridiculous to accuse Nigam of something when its not true because they didn't bother to read the damn copy.

I'm going to start a study... its going to be based on the relation between baldness level and IQ. I've got a lot of material from this thread alone.

[gc83uk]

I really don't get Didi. Either he's just a troll, or he's working for/with dr Nigam. I just can't think of any other explanation, seriously. Why would anyone not go for an awesome 'cure' like Dr Nigam presented, for that little money, if he truely believed it to work ?

Precisely, he doesn't seem to want to answer this.

[Arashi]

I would love Didi to go to Nigam and it work out, however I think he wants everyone to agree with him or basically tell him it's safe and it will work to put his mind at rest. Why else?

I really don't get Didi. Either he's just a troll, or he's working for/with dr Nigam. I just can't think of any other explanation, seriously. Why would anyone not go for an awesome 'cure' like Dr Nigam presented, for that little money, if he truely believed it to work ?

[gc83uk]

I would love Didi to go to Nigam and it work out, however I think he wants everyone to agree with him or basically tell him it's safe and it will work to put his mind at rest. Why else?

[Arashi]

for a fk sake Arashi you starting to talk like Iron MAn

I know marijuana is cheap and legal in your country but give it a break

I answer your question and then you start with nonsense

over n out

No, seriously !! Look at the people in this topic. Me, aim4hair, GC83UK, Ironman, we all 'believed' in Gho and went for it and had our procedures done. If you're so sure about Nigam, then why aren't you going right now ? I seriously don't understand it. It can't be the money that's holding you back, cause if there ever were a time to go, money wise, it's now, since NOW he'll surely give you a huge discount, in 1 year, if he turned out to be legit, there's no way you can get that discount, so it would actually be an awesome investment to go right now.

[gc83uk]

Didi why the constant comparisons with Gho in this thread? Why not just stick with what Nigam is showing us, which at the moment is nothing.

If Nigam had cracked it you would be there yourself right?

So tell me, honestly, what are you waiting for Nigam to demonstrate in order to get into his chair? Are you waiting for some more advanced procedure by him or is this doubling good enough for you?

[didi]

for a fk sake Arashi you starting to talk like Iron MAn

I know marijuana is cheap and legal in your country but give it a break

I answer your question and then you start with nonsense

over n out

[Arashi]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by hellouser
It looks like a very faint grey spot. There's no visible hair present though. But 8/9 hairs regrew, which is good.

I'm just wondering, if Nigam didn't really extract any grafts surrounding that mole but merely clipped some skin, to simulate regrowth, would that be illegal or just merely unethical, according you ?


legal/illegal..depends on Indias laws, imo its unethical

for example, marijuana..if you smoke in holland, no probs....if you do it in saudi arabia you get hanged

I think you're Dr Nigam's dream patient. You already believe in him and obviously you won't even try to sue him when he fakes regrowth. I'm sure he'll give you a nice discount on the 5000 to 10,000 grafts doubling. When are you flying ?

[didi]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by hellouser
It looks like a very faint grey spot. There's no visible hair present though. But 8/9 hairs regrew, which is good.

I'm just wondering, if Nigam didn't really extract any grafts surrounding that mole but merely clipped some skin, to simulate regrowth, would that be illegal or just merely unethical, according you ?


legal/illegal..depends on Indias laws, imo its unethical

for example, marijuana..if you smoke in holland, no probs....if you do it in saudi arabia you get hanged

[Arashi]

It looks like a very faint grey spot. There's no visible hair present though. But 8/9 hairs regrew, which is good.

I'm just wondering, if Nigam didn't really extract any grafts surrounding that mole but merely clipped some skin, to simulate regrowth, would that be illegal or just merely unethical, according you ?

[Arashi]

I don't see why it's too much to ask for if his claims are true. Finding ppl who are willing to jump on his chair is no issue. Just like the "HT doctor" who had hair doubing of 5k grafts recently and had 10k grafts implanted on his receipient area according to dr. Nigam

Didi is already convinced Dr Nigam is for real. So I'm sure we can expect him to go to India soon, have him extract 5000 grafts from donor and implant 10,000 grafts in recipient. That should easily bring him back 5-6 NW steps.