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Precisely why I didn't really say if what he did was legal or illegal because I don't know what India's laws are like. I made note of this when I mentioned it all depends on state law but I also made it clear multiple times its shady and unethical, though this went right through Arashi's thick skull. Equally important is the fact that he never bothered to READ the copy below those photoshopped pictures which at least one was clearly showing a prediction... or a 'mock up' of the final result. It didn't state itself as a documented case or actual results from a past patient.
God damn some people need to be SPOON FED information. Its as if they need a BIG LABEL saying 'THESE ARE PREDICTIONS'
So yeah, I guess I retract my comments at least partially about Dr. Nigam being shady/unethical since the description is clear as mud as to what the photo is (at least in one photo, the other is a mess and the copy in it is ambiguous as hell).
That'd be like Arashi seeing a sketch of a concept car from Ferrari and crying about it being a doctored car and then telling everyone its ILLEGAL!!!! OMG! ILLEGAL! YOU CAN'T SHOW CONCEPTS OR EXAMPLES EVEN WHEN THEYRE LABELED AS SUCH! I NEED BIGGER FONT TO LET ME KNOW THEY'RE CONCEPTS! I'M HUNGRY FOR MCDONALDS! MY FEELINGS ARE MORE VALID THAN STATE LAWS! I'M AN EXPERT ON LEGAL COPY WRITING! GIVE ME MY BURGER!
Pretty ridiculous to accuse Nigam of something when its not true because they didn't bother to read the damn copy.
I'm going to start a study... its going to be based on the relation between baldness level and IQ. I've got a lot of material from this thread alone.Comment
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Ehm... And didn't I say this:
and this:
And then you lecture me on semantics ? You're really a funny character. What university was that again you attended ? The Mickey Mouse university in Disney World, where 'professor Didi' lectured ?
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First of all, where is it labeled as example ? It's not. Fine print under first photo: "After 2 months by this result it is predicted that the patient should have 35000-40000 hair ny one year." This suggests that THIS patient, in the photo, actually got treated with "stem cells, growth factors + PRP" (as it says in the text above the picture) and that the 2 months result, as it shows in the photoshopped picture, indicates that this patient will have 40k hairs in one year. How is that not misleading when he never treated that patient ? And if he DID him and DID generate 40k hairs for a guy who's NW6, then where's the proof (other than that photoshopped picture) ?
Subscript under 2nd photo even suggests that the patient will get 60k hairs and it is suggested that this patient got Stem cells, growth factor and arterial PRP which will result in 60k graft.
How is all this not misleading exactly ? If Dr Nigam would operate a Western company, would place and keep these commercials on his website and got sued, do you really think he'd win that case ? If so, then I must really retract my earlier statement regarding Didi being the biggest idiot on this forum.
And to come back at your Ferrari example: yeah this is quite similar. If a company advertises with a commercial where they show you a 2013 brand new Ferrari for hire, $500 a day, you wire them the money and then they hand you over a playmobil kids toy, would you be ok with that ?Comment
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Man, what am I even doing here. I'm trying to lecture a chimpanzee on the difference between something illegal and something unethical. It's useless. Anyway it surely must be a pleasure for Dr Nigam to see that there are actually people here who think what he's done is merely only somewhat 'unethical'.Comment
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Christ, do you need a sign that says 'sarcasm' or tells when someone is being facetious? I was mocking you.
You call that fine print? Its pretty obvious its sub copy. Do you know what point size is? Well, it kind of directly relates to 'fine print'.Fine print under first photo:
LMAO!!!! Only in your world does the word 'prediction' mean 'currently' But thats what your problem is, you have trouble understanding verbiage.... and sarcasm."After 2 months by this result it is predicted that the patient should have 35000-40000 hair ny one year." This suggests that this patient actually got treated with "stem cells, growth factors + PRP"
So to you this means that the procedure already took place?(as it says in the text above the picture) and that the 2 months result, as it shows in the photoshopped picture, indicates that this patient will have 40k hairs in one year.
I've already stated that the grammar and spelling is completely botched thus confusing and doesn't mean anything. The prediction hints that its an example of whats to be expected. But does 'after 2 months by this result' mean to you it already took place?How is that not misleading when he never treated that patient ?
I'd rather see a real case of it than photoshopped photos, conceptual or fraud, I don't care, I want *REAL* documentation. (I looked closer at the photographs, and theyre both photoshopped, I'll prove how in a bit).And if he DID treat patients like that and DID generate 40k hairs for a guy who's NW6, then where's the proof (other than that photoshopped picture) ?
Subscript? I thought it was fine print?Subscript under 2nd photo even suggests that the patient will get 60k hairs and it is suggested that this patient got Stem cells, growth factor and arterial PRP which will result in 60k graft.
It's bullsh*t copy writing, I can't fully understand the copy in either photos.How is all this not misleading exactly ?
Depends. If he actually performed his procedure and the patient didn't get what was claimed, then yes, the patient would have grounds to sue and would and should win.If Dr Nigam would operate a Western company, would place and keep these commercials on his website and got sued, do you really think he'd win that case ?
Problem is, a lot of times doctors have waivers before procedures exempting the doctors from any wrongdoing or false claims... and THATS where all the fine print lies where the patient is going to be held accountable for, NOT the doctor. And thats exactly how my mom got SCREWED by a chinese doctor, claiming one thing but getting away with because of the waiver. This is Canada.
If someone caught on in the Western world and state law was against false advertising, and I'm willing to bet it is 99% of the time to an extent, hence the mcdonalds example since thats also false advertising but perfectly legal, then he'd probably get a fine, be forced to take it down and get a ton of negative publicity which is far more damaging than anything else as it will ultimately SINK the business. To what degree would he be punished though? I don't know but fines are pretty standard. Suspension maybe? License revoked? Who knows. But the publicity would be much worse.
Don't worry, you covered this area nicely yourself.If so, then I must really retract my earlier statement regarding Didi being the biggest idiot on this forum.
And this is why you can't be taken seriously because you don't stick to the facts. Please quote me ANYWHERE where you claim I've said its 'only somewhat unethical'. I clearly said is shady and unethical and I frown upon it. But I've already pointed out your selective but now you twist the facts? Get real.Comment
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Haha. I have better things to do than respond to all of your points. It's not that interesting anyway. You say what Dr Nigam did is "shady and unethical and I frown upon it.". I'm convinced it's more than just that and he'd clearly lose in court when someone would sue him over it. But let's keep it at that.Comment
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First Photo:
Pay close attention to the backdrop behind the head. It gets a little smudged. The left temple (or right from the viewers perspective) has an odd oval patch of skin covering part of the hairline. This is definitely done with either the clone tool or by selecting existing skin, feathering the edges and applying it overtop to hide the background. I had to scale down and warm the head horizontally in order to fit the image on the right overtop the left. So its not perfectly scaled but clearly shows a VERY amateur job with this.
Second Photo:
Notice that in two different scenarios everything is exactly the same (except the extra hair) ?? Even the eyebrows are same length and position with the only minor difference is a SLIGHT change in texture in the centre of the forehead (may not be visible from a GIF as colours in GIF files are reduced to 256 colours).
Definitely photoshopped, both of them.Comment
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Assuming your looking at this picture: http://postimg.org/image/eo3qhea5x/
Your not actually saying because of the word 'predicted' is used, that the 2nd image is a representation of the prediction are you?
The 2nd picture probably has maybe 10,000 hairs. Which is the untouched photo IMO, but the first photo clearly being purposely made to look like he has no hair at all.
The prediction comment is just saying basically, hey guys in a year this guy is going to be a nw1 or nw0 kinda thing.
That's the way I see it.Comment
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Pretty sure you have the wrong picture there hellouser. Maybe you can see why there was such a fuss now.Comment
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Refresh the page, you should be seeing two animated gifs flipping between pictures.
Both are the ones Arashi said we're photoshopped and linked some pages ago in this thread. But yeah, thats a terrible photoshop job and the wording in both images is AWFUL. Except its ALL of his wording, here and across his entire website, its confusing as hell. Its really frustrating since its bound to confuse a lot of people. Worse yet it looks like some religious website with testimonials with born again christians.
*NOTE* His website is down for both domains; drnigams.net and drnigams.com
Weird.Comment
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It is my personal opinion that all this Gho/Nigam stuff is complete bullshit. If there's a cure it won't come from some little hair surgeon in India.
I really hope I'm wrong though - so please don't take it personallyComment
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Of course the claims in the photo are totally and utterly bullshit. There's no WAY that dr Nigam can give a bold guy 60k hairs with some injections.
However, I wouldn't be that surprised to see that he copy-cated dr Gho, I don't think that's something that's impossible. We'll find out about that in the next months.Comment
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I tend to agree with Thinning on this. I respect Dr. Nigam, and I'm watching his progress closely, but... something just doesn't seem right. His new website (http://www.mumbaihairtransplant.com/) has a picture of a guy at the bottom who supposedly underwent hair multiplication, but the result looks rather unnatural to me.
I hope that over time Dr. Nigam will continue to provide more pictures and more documentation until the results truly speak for themselves.
We've been disappointed by a lot of huge, well-funded, well-run companies. That's why it's hard to accept all of the wonderful things that Dr. Nigam is saying. Still, he is very upfront with his documentation - which is something very few other doctors have done. I guess we'll just have to keep our fingers crossed.Comment
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