Inconclusive rant about finasteride, DHT reduction and ways to control it.

[chrisis]

Tell me if I'm wrong that your purpose here is to argue with people who suffer side effects, rather than help them.

Therein lies the problem.

[2020]

Tell me if I'm wrong that your purpose here is to argue with people who suffer side effects, rather than help them.

Therein lies the problem.

again with personal attacks.... answer my questions

[Kirby_]

2020 is not in the wrong here. Telling people to get their bloodwork checked out is FAR better and more useful advice (and based on using real medical science) than twattering on about black tea extract.

[fab]

Originally Posted by chrisis
Tell me if I'm wrong that your purpose here is to argue with people who suffer side effects, rather than help them.

Therein lies the problem.

again with personal attacks.... answer my questions

Chrisis, I agree with 2020 (taking another drug is bad), but I understand you, I also tried Claritin for 3 days (I'm allergic to dust anyways) with no change at all decided to stop. I've looked into Maca root but haven't tried it yet (but will). According to this study (similar to loratadine) it should be an alternative: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18801111

Have you thought about giving it a try?

[chrisis]

Maca root sounds interesting. Where can you get it? And in what form, dosage? Thanks for the tip.

I'm a bit undecided on Clarityn right now. Last few days haven't been as good.

[2020]

Maca root sounds interesting. Where can you get it? And in what form, dosage? Thanks for the tip.

I'm a bit undecided on Clarityn right now. Last few days haven't been as good.

ok fine ignore what I said before even though everyone agrees that I'm right....

[SoothSayer]

I'm a bit undecided on Clarityn right now. Last few days haven't been as good.

I would suggest giving it a full month to deal with cycles before really coming to any conclusion. It makes sense that one would get excited when you notice an initial improvement, but it is not uncommon to see one treatment work for a little bit and then stop for unknown reasons.

[chrisis]

I would suggest giving it a full month to deal with cycles before really coming to any conclusion. It makes sense that one would get excited when you notice an initial improvement, but it is not uncommon to see one treatment work for a little bit and then stop for unknown reasons.

Yeah I'll keep it up for now. Probably got about a month's supply so we'll see how I am at the end of my batch.

I'm floored at the suggestion that it's a gamble for me to take a common household non-prescription medicine, that has side effects limited to a bit of drowsiness, while a drug that can potentially devastate your sexual health is defended to the death...

I usually get a bit of hayfever this time of year anyway, so taking Clarityn is not unusual for me.

If this doesn't resolve my problem however, I will go to a doctor and get some tests run.

[WashedOut]

Yeah I'll keep it up for now. Probably got about a month's supply so we'll see how I am at the end of my batch.

I'm floored at the suggestion that it's a gamble for me to take a common household non-prescription medicine, that has side effects limited to a bit of drowsiness, while a drug that can potentially devastate your sexual health is defended to the death...

I usually get a bit of hayfever this time of year anyway, so taking Clarityn is not unusual for me.

If this doesn't resolve my problem however, I will go to a doctor and get some tests run.

To be fair there are people out there who say they have sexual issues after taking Claritin. Also, aspirin is an over the counter too but it causes plenty of deaths every year. Propecia is pretty much right on par when it comes to side effects compared to other drugs.

[chrisis]

To be fair there are people out there who say they have sexual issues after taking Claritin. Also, aspirin is an over the counter too but it causes plenty of deaths every year. Propecia is pretty much right on par when it comes to side effects compared to other drugs.

You can't say the side effects are on a par with aspirin and Clarityn when the Propecia studies are flawed, as I've pointed out again and again.

[2020]

You can't say the side effects are on a par with aspirin and Clarityn when the Propecia studies are flawed, as I've pointed out again and again.

no you ****ing didn't omfgg do you have amnesia? Your "different hormone profiles" theory was a bs.... you hormones were either ****ed up from the beginning(pre-existing condition) or you're just one of those few who DO get side effects.
It's been TWENTY YEARS! Study after study CONFIRMS their original study results. WHY CAN'T YOU GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!! It's not us - IT'S YOU!!!

[chrisis]

Wow someone's getting worked up...

I have yet to see a study that proves Propecia is safe for men with receded hairlines only or a study that fairly represents such men.

Men with more advanced balding patterns will react differently to drugs designed to inhibit the hormones that caused the balding. It's very basic logic.

[2020]

Wow someone's getting worked up...

I have yet to see a study that proves Propecia is safe for men with receded hairlines only or a study that fairly represents such men.

do I need to dig up those studies again?? Even on the official study, THEY HAD A SURVEY where they asked the subjects if they had an improvement on their hairline.
OBVIOUSLY those people had hairline loss as well, it's just that the study focused more on the crown because they knew that that's where propecia would be most effective....

Men with more advanced balding patterns will react differently to drugs designed to inhibit the hormones that caused the balding. It's very basic logic.

right, so ALL OF THOSE STUDIES just happened to pick up super humans with super hormone profiles and that's how they were able to conduct studies with minimal side effects.... you're not special. Balding pattern is genetic. DHT is not even the cause of hairloss ffs you fool

[chrisis]

Wow I feel like I'm arguing with a wall.

Your lack of ability to comprehend my point just stumps me. This is why I eventually ignore you.

[2020]

Wow I feel like I'm arguing with a wall.

Your lack of ability to comprehend my point just stumps me. This is why I eventually ignore you.

what?

Men with more advanced balding patterns will react differently to drugs designed to inhibit the hormones that caused the balding. It's very basic logic.

^ This is false.

Care to try for another theory?