Aderans hopefully soon

[hellouser]

How will Aderans work on diffusers? I'm a diffusing 5, at 27 y/o, but is this supposed to make the hair on diffusers terminal too?

There's been some talk that it may work best on diffusers. I'm in the same boat and can't wait. I may get a procedure with dr. gho in the meantime.

[Vox]

P.S. We shouldn't forget that hair is simply for aesthetics.

If you say this, then you must have a head (almost) full of hair. Being at the terminal NW6/7 stage, I can assure you that hair is very important for protection also against scratches, rain, cold and sun. For that reason I am regularly using hats, which is OK in winter but not that much in summer when the heat kicks in.

[Desmond84]

If you say this, then you must have a head (almost) full of hair. Being at the terminal NW6/7 stage, I can assure you that hair is very important for protection also against scratches, rain, cold and sun. For that reason I am regularly using hats, which is OK in winter but not that much in summer when the heat kicks in.

That's true! It does have protective properties Let's hope you can at least move up 1-2 NWs with Aderans brother...

We'll have a much better picture of its potentials for higher Norwoods once they release their Final Phase 2 trials (hopefully early June). You had to be above NW3 to qualify for the study after all.

[Vox]

That's true! It does have protective properties Let's hope you can at least move up 1-2 NWs with Aderans brother...

I would be very happy if I could go up to a permanent NW4. Then a NW2-3 would be one or two small Gho-like procedures away. And my expectations are rather modest, all I want is density sufficient to provide decent protection.

We'll have a much better picture of its potentials for higher Norwoods once they release their Final Phase 2 trials (hopefully early June). You had to be above NW3 to qualify for the study after all.

I am very curious to see these results. It takes so long. But it is normal I guess, you have to wait for the hair to grow and cycle.

[Jairus]

Wait wait - Des did you not say last week that Aderans would only be a supercharged version of minoxodil similar to histogen??

You were disappointed because you said you found out that the concept of follicle DHT immunization was not correct???

Confused

[Desmond84]

Wait wait - Des did you not say last week that Aderans would only be a supercharged version of minoxodil similar to histogen??

You were disappointed because you said you found out that the concept of follicle DHT immunization was not correct???

Confused

Yeah...Jairus last week Dr Nigam announced that he had a meeting with Dr Lauster and was informed that Aderans has given up on culturing DP cells and has moved on to Stem cells instead!

This was completely false and after looking into all their patents filed and current media releases, they are still using DP cells which is going to provide DHT immunity

I no longer bother reading Nigams thread. That was the last draw for me!

[Jairus]

Yeah...Jairus last week Dr Nigam announced that he had a meeting with Dr Lauster and was informed that Aderans has given up on culturing DP cells and has moved on to Stem cells instead!

This was completely false and after looking into all their patents filed and current media releases, they are still using DP cells which is going to provide DHT immunity

I no longer bother reading Nigams thread. That was the last draw for me!

LOL ah ok got it now

Yeah a lot of flase info floating around and it can be quite detrimental

This is great to hear tho.

Cheers

[Artista]

Desmond's words-

"So, if you're between NW1-NW3 then giving you a chance to keep your current hair for another 10 years without any potential sexual side effects would be a gift that our fathers never even dreamt of!
Those above NW3 will benefit to some extent but may need to try and combine it with a hair transplant to get to NW2 or better!"

This had become my personal ideology after having researched what may be possible.
Eventually there WILL be a new hair loss treatment available to us all. One (or more) in which hair recovery will be far more effectively possible than what is available today.
Those of us who are past the Norwood 3/4 might want to seriously consider a decent HT improvement 'today' that can be augmented by a treatment 'tomorrow' .

[Whair]

Nigams

Nigams may or may not be a doctor . If he can grow or increase hair then just show proof .Very simple where there was no hair show where there is now hair. Dazzling folks with big long dissertations , meeting with well known scientists....Had a meeting with the ' german team ' Really ? prove it .I had a laugh watching this guy come on here with his fakery because I didn't think anyone would buy it . Of course he managed to upset some folks with his incessant inaccuracies . That was irritating . Aderans , Replicel , Histogen, Cosmo are all legitimate . There is science involved and effort and I believe its moving in the right direction . Eventually they will have their moment of truth. They will either have results or they wont . I believe there will be acceptable results for many.

[FearTheLoss]

I think we should definitely point out that MPB is a progressive condition and logically those in earlier stages of MPB would benefit far more than those in the latter stages. That is because Ji Gami was unable to create new hair follicles in human scalp but simply revived semi-miniturised ones.

So, if you're between NW1-NW3 then giving you a chance to keep your current hair for another 10 years without any potential sexual side effects would be a gift that our fathers never even dreamt of!

Those above NW3 will benefit to some extent but may need to try and combine it with a hair transplant to get to NW2 or better!

But having said that, most of the guys on this forum have started to go through MPB in the last 2-3 years and will be more than happy to keep their hairs at NW2-2.5 for a good 10 years!

P.S. We shouldn't forget that hair is simply for aesthetics. As long as it is growing sufficiently for us to be able to style it, being in a 'zombie' like state as you put it is irrelevant in my opinion. (If it had other functions such as heart or kidneys then ur argument would be more than valid

By the time its effects fade away, it is more than likely that true hair multiplication will be at our door steps somewhere post 2020.

Instead of finding something to be upset about, we should all be celebrating if Aderans truly goes into Phase 3!

Desmond, where did you find that it could only maintain hair for 10 years? I thought there goal was permanent maintenance by making the follicles immune to DHT.. and if there is a concern with leakage after some time couldn't they just do another set of injections to hold for and even longer period of time?

[UK Boy]

10 years?

I wanted to ask Desmond the same question. Where did that comd from? Was it mentioned in the Aderans presentation? Or does the theory come from Ironman? I take it this 10 year thing comes up due to this leakage issue but as the previous poster asked why wouldn't you just get the proceedure done again and renew the effects?

[FearTheLoss]

I also just noticed, as I obsessively re-read histogen's last update (OCT 12'), that in their latest trial histogen did show to "save" dying follicles. This would mean that Aderans wouldn't be needed. This also means that if Aderans is heading to phase III that they think they have a product that will, at least, be able to compete with histogen when they release HSC. Aderans isn't going to release a product that would be washed away by another one a year or so later when HSC is released...

[Assemblage23]

I'm not looking for something that will regrow hair, I really want something that will allow me to drop finasteride, is it what aderans will enable us to do?

[StinkySmurf]

By the way - there is a connection between what Paus tried to explain ("a complete factory in healing components") and Washenik's "rather than neogenesis" (new hairs from scratch) talk - whereby Washenik is actually just talking about "possibilities" in general.

Wow! Bravo! Can I ask what the date and source of this article is? I don't see it on google

[FearTheLoss]

I'm not looking for something that will regrow hair, I really want something that will allow me to drop finasteride, is it what aderans will enable us to do?

When Aderans puts something on the market it will be better than fin, so yes.