HST / Gho cost - beware!!

[The Alchemist]

The problem with finasteride is that it's tough to know you're having a problem unless it's a drastic change from your baseline. The sides come on over time slowly and it's tough to see them when you're assessing everyday. The patients in these trials may have been having trouble but just weren't aware yet, so the data doesn't reflect the true rate of sides.

For me, i noticed gyno flare up pretty quickly, it was within a couple months. Plus i had very big mood swings when on it. I'm normally very steady in that way, but on the drug it was a different story. I had other sides too, like shooting pains in my balls that would come and go randomly. I never linked it to finasteride until i started reading up on it well after i quit taking it. The worse part was that a lot of the sides i was having, i didn't become aware of until i stopped the drug! When i ceased taking it, i started getting much better sleep and having more vivid dreams. My energy level started seeming higher (really it was just returning to normal) and i stopped putting on weight so damn easily. Most of these things were not apparent to me when i was on it, but, afterwards, when my body came back to normal, it was shockingly apparent.

DHT is an important hormone. There is no way in hell you can inhibit it's production without consequences. There is just no way.

I won't touch it, or anything else that messes with hormone levels again.

[Arashi]

Man, reading all these stories makes me even more confident in my decision to NEVER touch fin.

[FearTheLoss]

I should also add, that what completely pushed me over the edge on fin was the brain fog setting in...when that started occurring, being a premed student at a top ten college in the world, I got my priorities straight...I can't have any foggy thinking, I need to be sharp at ALL times. Sacrificing the ability to have good sex and think clearly for hair is absolute insanity.

[Cookie]

Is RU more effective than Fin? And does RU have lesser sides?

[FearTheLoss]

try doing your research a little more before posting on here because this question has been asked a million times...but RU proved better than fin at the 6 month mark, but we don't know long term. There are people who have been on it for 6 years without losing hair...and safety, who knows? but the people that take RU are usually taking it because fin gave them sides. If you are going to use RU, use it in the KB vehicle because it was designed to eliminate any possible sides..and works for most.

[goldbondmafia]

might as well ask this here. I wasn't too familiar with HST and Gho so I did some researching and I email hasci directly and they told me the donor hairs should stay in their new transplanted area forever. Does this only work for like a year before it sheds permanently again?

[Phatalis]

might as well ask this here. I wasn't too familiar with HST and Gho so I did some researching and I email hasci directly and they told me the donor hairs should stay in their new transplanted area forever. Does this only work for like a year before it sheds permanently again?

What are you confused by? If they stay forever then why would they shed? Wouldn't that imply they don't stay forever?

The answer is they stay forever... as in they don't shed permanently. You posted this once before man, stop asking the same question that has already been answered lol

[goldbondmafia]

What are you confused by? If they stay forever then why would they shed? Wouldn't that imply they don't stay forever?

The answer is they stay forever... as in they don't shed permanently. You posted this once before man, stop asking the same question that has already been answered lol

Sorry im just confused then cause this basically means hasci has solved hair loss for those already bald. Get a procedure done with them and your set for life, unless I am missing something, why wouldn't everyone on here be lining up to get this done?

[cocacola]

Cost lol

[Arashi]

Sorry im just confused then cause this basically means hasci has solved hair loss for those already bald. Get a procedure done with them and your set for life, unless I am missing something, why wouldn't everyone on here be lining up to get this done?

Cost and you still lose hairs in donor. HASCI therefore recommends not more than 3 HST's.

[didi]

Cost and you still lose hairs in donor. HASCI therefore recommends not more than 3 HST's.

in another words NW5+ and those destined to become high NWs are still screwed

[Arashi]

in another words NW5+ and those destined to become high NWs are still screwed

Well, of course you could have more HST's, but according to HASCI, it will start to show in your donor as of the 4th HST. I've seen people do as much 10,000 grafts with traditional FUE/FUT, but their donor looks horrible in my opinion.

Question is of course: after how many HST's will your donor start to look bad ? I don't know. HST isn't the holy grail, that's for sure. But it's still the best we have. Well, hopefully Dr Nigams will prove that statement wrong soon

[cocacola]

arashi can you give the direct quote where they mention no more than 3. Also Gc had 3 so far and his donor still looks almost virgin. Hasci are always very careful and conservative with their claims. Im pretty sure u can safely do more than 3, if u assume 80% regen. after 5000 grafts u should have lost like 1000 grafts max, which is no big deal spread out on the whole donor area.

[Arashi]

arashi can you give the direct quote where they mention no more than 3. Also Gc had 3 so far and his donor still looks almost virgin. Hasci are always very careful and conservative with their claims. Im pretty sure u can safely do more than 3, if u assume 80% regen. after 5000 grafts u should have lost like 1000 grafts max, which is no big deal spread out on the whole donor area.

Sure. I asked why Dean Saunders only did 3 procedures. Kristel gave 3 reasons, this was one, and I'll copy and paste her answer:

" De 2e reden is dat de hergroei, zoals iedereen weet, niet 100% is en er dus na multipele behandelingen uit het donorgebied (in zijn geval reeds 3x ruim 1700) als we nog vaker gaan uihalen hetzelfde beeld gaat ontstaan als na FUE. Als cliënten aangeven dat ze toch regelmatig hun haren volledig willen kunnen afscheren, adviseren we maximaal 3x het donorgebied te gebruiken."

[Arashi]

I see that Google translate doesn't translate the last sentence correctly. Correct translation is "If clients indicate that they want to regularly shave their hairs completely, we advise to use the donor max 3 times".

They don't say you should stop after 3 HST's. Only that it will start to show in your donor if you do more than 3 HST's, just like after a (single) FUE. I'm not sure if you can draw this conclusion but to me it seems that she's saying that doing 2x2000 FUE would then equal 6x2000 HST's, donor wise. I've asked for a more detailed explanation here but haven't gotten a response just yet. Will let you guys know once I do.