HST / Gho cost - beware!!

[Arashi]

I was just researching, this is a table with regrowth percentages per month, for FUE, but I guess it pretty much applies to HST as well:

http://www.prohairclinic.com/nieuws/hergroei-tijdslijn-haartransplantatie

At 6 months (where I'm now) I should expect 40% more hair, which, if this would happen, would make me a very happy camper
At 9 months (where you're at) you should expect 20% more to come.
At 12 months you're pretty much at the end result, only 2% more to come in the next year.

So yeah, it does make sense to wait 1 year, so you're pretty much at the end result, and then decide what area's you want to dense up. But then again, looking at that table, the 11 month milestone seems pretty interesting as well. Only 5% more to come. I'm going to think about it but I think I'll go again at either 11 or 12 months.

[caddarik79]

I was just researching, this is a table with regrowth percentages per month, for FUE, but I guess it pretty much applies to HST as well:

http://www.prohairclinic.com/nieuws/hergroei-tijdslijn-haartransplantatie

At 6 months (where I'm now) I should expect 40% more hair, which, if this would happen, would make me a very happy camper
At 9 months (where you're at) you should expect 20% more to come.
At 12 months you're pretty much at the end result, only 2% more to come in the next year.

So yeah, it does make sense to wait 1 year, so you're pretty much at the end result, and then decide what area's you want to dense up. But then again, looking at that table, the 11 month milestone seems pretty interesting as well. Only 5% more to come. I'm going to think about it but I think I'll go again at either 11 or 12 months.

sure and thank you for the statistics... 20% more makes sense, it will be good ;-)

And me if I do it end of October, I'm 14 months away from first, so very safe... I kept B vitamins and biotin in my habits, good regrowth...

then you leave another year to enjoy your 2 HST and hope it will even improve by 2015...

What would you do? start to share grafts with the crown of just put two HST in front and then care for the rest?

[Arashi]

sure and thank you for the statistics... 20% more makes sense, it will be good ;-)

And me if I do it end of October, I'm 14 months away from first, so very safe... I kept B vitamins and biotin in my habits, good regrowth...

then you leave another year to enjoy your 2 HST and hope it will even improve by 2015...

What would you do? start to share grafts with the crown of just put two HST in front and then care for the rest?

Can you post an update photo, Caddarick ?

[534623]

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=117553&postcount=26

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Where is Dr. Gho's "statement"?

Winston posted this 1 month ago ...

[Arashi]

What would you do? start to share grafts with the crown of just put two HST in front and then care for the rest?

I think our hair situations are pretty similar. What I'm currently planning to do with my 2nd HST (and currently I'm thinking to have it done at 11 months after my 1st HST, which will be october this year) is:

1) Lower hairline with 1 cm. With 30 grafts/cm2 this will take roughly 400 grafts
2) Use 600 grafts to densify crown area
3) Use 600 grafts to densify the thinnest parts on top.

I'm pretty sure that after this I'll be fine for at least 3 years. And then, if needed, I'll get another time 1600 grafts to do the 'repair work', which should buy me another 3 years. And 6 years from now I'm hoping we'll have new options.

[cocacola]

i think u guys should post picture updates so we can give recommendations

[UK_]

Hmmm dont know about this

[UK_]

Picture updates would be a great help.
Meh.

[Californication]

Right - such a "plan" counts especially for the kids (lol) ...

I mean, seriously: Most young guys start to struggle with their temple areas - right?

At the same time or a few years later, mostly the whole front area starts to "break away".

So why not starting early enough to restore with HST step-by-step at least the front area? The front area is the most problematic zone for most guys and to restore at least the front area step-by-step, while always KEEPING OPTIONS (donor regrowth) - that doesn't cost you an arm an a leg.

Just a few such examples:

The guy TOBBAN at the Swedish forum:

http://www.lookgood.se/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4544&p=11

He is now at the 6 month mark, and his first problem (temple areas) is already solved with just 1 procedure. And if you compare his "now" photos with photos from 3 years ago (the point in his life when he started losing his hair in the temple areas) - nobody (not even he himself) will ever know (anymore) that he had a hair loss problem. And even if he is losing more hair in future (whole front area etc) - simply doing another procedure while always KEEPING OPTIONS in his donor area, just in case.

Yeah, and the guy NeedHairASAP, for example, is such a similar case ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=12519

Anyway, they all have still OPTIONS IN FUTURE (contrary to normal hair transplants and IF you will be a NW5 to NW7 guy one day) and in case if hair loss is progressing ...

So instead of wasting time and waiting for any "miracles" or rubbing every day any BS onto your head and especially into the temple/front area - simply replacing "bad stuff" in your front area with healthy "good stuff" (healthy hair follicles) - that's the (affordable) KEY while still keeping OPTIONS or even if you "think" there will be a much better "miracle" one day on the market.

Restoring the front area NOW is the key for most guys. Everything beyond is just frustrating and a waste of time ...

What about a young guy who still isn't obviously balding to the untrained eye but has diffuse balding, has not, as of yet, been able to stabilize the loss (Fin side effects) and is headed, eventually (from pictures of dad), to NW 6-7 territory. (My dad started losing around 20-21, was bald by 26, so it's aggressive)

I'm fine with not having hair one day, I'll have to shave but that's fine when I'm a little older, but if my goal is to enjoy hair at least for a little longer, would you say Gho's HST is a viable option or not if I have the money. I guess I'm asking what would you do if you were in this situation, anyone can feel free to answer, but you put out a specific plan for young guys that is good, but I'm not sure it applies to a diffuse case.

[FearTheLoss]

I'm young and I'm going to treat my hair with HST and RU for now...I'll get HST's as my loss progresses (if it does, as RU has stopped loss as of now) until some better medication comes out or Gho or someone else brings hair multiplication to the market...and if HM doesn't come, all the pipeline treatments fail (highly unlikely) and RU stops working, then I'll get 7-8 HST's done and have a full head of hair.. that's assuming that I reach a NW6..which would be the worst in my family. (dad has a nw2 at 60, 5 uncles with NW3 or better all 50+ years old, 1 uncle is a NW6)

I won't ever touch finasteride again in oral form, HST's are better and don't kill your ****.

[UK_]

I'm young and I'm going to treat my hair with HST and RU for now...I'll get HST's as my loss progresses (if it does, as RU has stopped loss as of now) until some better medication comes out or Gho or someone else brings hair multiplication to the market...and if HM doesn't come, all the pipeline treatments fail (highly unlikely) and RU stops working, then I'll get 7-8 HST's done and have a full head of hair.. that's assuming that I reach a NW6..which would be the worst in my family. (dad has a nw2 at 60, 5 uncles with NW3 or better all 50+ years old, 1 uncle is a NW6)

I won't ever touch finasteride again in oral form, HST's are better and don't kill your ****.

Jesus.

Was finasteride that bad? I cant seem to find a good word on that drug anymore, I think with 100% certainty that the 2% side effects figure is absolute bullshit.

[Arashi]

I think with 100% certainty that the 2% side effects figure is absolute bullshit.

Some time ago there was a poll on HS. I dont know the exact numbers anymore, but do remember the percentage with sexual sides where WAY WAY higher in that poll. I think it was more than 30% of the users.

*EDIT* I think it was this one: http://www.*************/hair-loss/p...poll_id-4.html

Of course it's only a small poll, but still, I'm sure we can conclude that that 2% is pure bs.

*EDIT2* link doesnt post, but indeed over 30% (on a 55 users poll) having sexual sides.

[didi]

How did Merk come up with 2% figure?
I would argue that everyone that uses propecia have decreased libido/lower sperm volume, people don't like admitting, sometimes they are not aware of it.
Look at spex and spence, they are both turning into a women, you can tell they are lacking that real manly energy;
chemical castration..i was like that too till I decided to drop it, never looked back

[cocacola]

Yeah i know that decreased libido/chemical castration feeling. I tried fin for 4 months and had sides. One day, i went to a huge rave party where there was a ton of almost naked hot women. Funny thing, it wasnt turning me on. This is where i realised that this stuff cant be good for a man and stopped fin. After discontinuing the drug libido got back to normal.

[FearTheLoss]

Jesus.

Was finasteride that bad? I cant seem to find a good word on that drug anymore, I think with 100% certainty that the 2% side effects figure is absolute bullshit.

Yeah I think they number is pure bullshit. I didn't believe in side effects before I started the drug, I'm a really strong person mentally and I thought it was just all in people's heads. A few days after starting at 1mg my balls started to ache, then a week later my penis was just dead...like it wasn't connected to my brain or even a part of my body. So I dropped to .5mg a day and sexual sides continued, then to .5mg every other day, then .25mg every other day and I experimented with various low doses even trying .25mg once a week and eventually the sides would always come.

I've been off fin for months now and I'm still not back to normal. I can perform sexually and get it up and what not, but I'm nowhere near as horny as I was before starting fin, my libido is still decreased and my erections are not back to full strength again. I will never touch that ****ing poison again. (unless it's in topical form, we will see where that goes..I will wait for it to be trailed and come to market before switching from kb/ru.)

I think finasteride causes sides more prominently in younger people, when DHT plays a bigger role in the body. It's ****ed up that this drug is FDA approved though after it has shown to cause PREEMINENT sexual sides in men, it's on the damn bottle for christ sake...I love my hair and will do just about anything to keep it, but sex is more important than hair...and we are getting closer to a real cure every day.