3rd Procedure with Gho

[Gandolf]

No he has always said, step by step. But to be honest I don't need to ask him.

Simple maths can answer this. Assuming my original bald area is 100cm2 exlcuding my hairline area which I may thicken up on my last procedure...

100cm2 attempting to get 50 grafts per cm2, so 5000 grafts.

I should be upto 4600 by late this year. Anything else after that is a bonus.

That must be quite a good feeling, especially after basically getting a "doom and gloom" analysis from other clinics.

[gc83uk]

gc83uk,

Has Dr. Gho given you any estimates over how many total procedures you will need to achieve your final hair goals?

No he has always said, step by step. But to be honest I don't need to ask him.

Simple maths can answer this. Assuming my original bald area is 100cm2 exlcuding my hairline area which I may thicken up on my last procedure...

100cm2 attempting to get 50 grafts per cm2, so 5000 grafts.

I should be upto 4600 by late this year. Anything else after that is a bonus.

[Gandolf]

gc83uk,

Has Dr. Gho given you any estimates over how many total procedures you will need to achieve your final hair goals?

[gc83uk]

but can u provide good before and after pics or links to patients showing good results? these pics show a bald head and dont show anything unless i see eral hair growth. thanks.

Nothing amazing yet. But within the next few months I should be able to demonstrate a reasonable before and after procedure with my 3000 grafts and by Christmas further photos with approx 4600 grafts.

I take it your familiar with Sneijder having HST?

People like Joling too.

The photos on Hasci's site aren't his best cases, they have been on the site for years. It seems he prefers to show extreme cases or minimum expectation results after 1 procedure. There are a few reasons for this, people don't give permission to use the photos, or they have only had 1 or 2 procedures which amounts to around 3000 grafts, they are not going to give you wow results with that number of grafts.

There is also a number of people on this forum, at least 10 people including myself who have undergone HST since late 2011 and continue to document their stories. This was 18 months ago, so I'm sure over the coming 18 months there will be some very good BEFORE and AFTER results.

[534623]

but can u provide good before and after pics or links ...

Sorry for the stupid question, but do get the impression that this thread or the whole forum section is a whorehouse?

[koolx]

Guys you really have to do the research and read through the posts because all of these photos have been posted.

Recipient After 3rd Procedure

The entire area was completely bald (!) before the procedure:

Before Any Procedures

but can u provide good before and after pics or links to patients showing good results? these pics show a bald head and dont show anything unless i see eral hair growth. thanks.

[Gandolf]

Sorry, I can't document tons of photos and 1000s extraction sites - for losers, who can't even find 1 photo.

Don't worry I wasn't asking you to, what would be the point of getting documentation from someone so insanely biased as yourself?

[534623]

Here is another example ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9010

The guy (damielmillo) posted lots of really EXCELLENT photos. Interestingly, just a few guys discussed his photos in his thread....

With damielmillo's photos, you can do exactly the same as JJ and I did with gc's photos.

Sorry, I can't document tons of photos and 1000s extraction sites - for losers, who can't even find 1 photo.

[534623]

If you could point me in the direction of them I'd be happy to take a look and give my thoughts.

Personally, I give a shit about the thoughts from useless jerks like you, but ...

BEFORE extractions (12 hours BEFORE his 3rd treatment)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/14th%20Jan%202013%20053.JPG

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/14th%20Jan%202013%20054.JPG

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/14th%20Jan%202013%20057.JPG

2 days after extractions

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/DSCN1531.JPG

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/28/3202143/DSCN1530.JPG

8 days after extractions

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745/recip%201%20week%20027.JPG

... feel free to mark or to encircle 50 or 100 extraction sites of your choice in the Day-2 after photo ...

... and compare and mark thereafter your marked extraction sites with the BEFORE photos and Day-8 photo.

What's the problem? Too stupid for doing this as just described??

Oh, and don't forget to post your VISIBLE results. Thanks in advance.

[Gandolf]

Ah ok, yes thought you were comparing photos A vs Photo B, rather than the emerging hairs vs the surrounding non extracted hairs.

I think your previous point is valid that any new hairs will mature.

To be 100% sure it's best to just look through all the photos to look for any thinning in the hairs, I have obviously checked myself for this and can't see any evidence of it.

There are so many photos now it's difficult to get them into a decent sequence, which can create confusion for people who are not familar with my case from the start.

If you google gc83uk in google images you get a shit load of pics in a snap shot for anyone interested.

You've done an outstanding job documenting your results as good as any one individual can do and I thank you for it. Based on your pics, the procedure looks extremely promising.

When I make posts cautioning for more documentation, I don't mean that to be a dig on what people have posted so far. Just that I've seen posts where a member comes on here and asks a question and gets responses like "you have absolutely no option but to immediately go to Dr. Gho" and I think that is a slippery slope when people talk about the procedure in such terms.

[gc83uk]

Yes I think you're right, I interpreted things differently than what was probably intended. I was looking at the hair sprouting up after the procedure and the ones I pointed out looked thinner in all the pictures. I wasn't comparing the thickness of hairs in one picture versus the other picture, is that what you mean?

Ah ok, yes thought you were comparing photos A vs Photo B, rather than the emerging hairs vs the surrounding non extracted hairs.

I think your previous point is valid that any new hairs will mature.

To be 100% sure it's best to just look through all the photos to look for any thinning in the hairs, I have obviously checked myself for this and can't see any evidence of it.

There are so many photos now it's difficult to get them into a decent sequence, which can create confusion for people who are not familar with my case from the start.

If you google gc83uk in google images you get a shit load of pics in a snap shot for anyone interested.

[Gandolf]

No offense, but think you've confused things.

Yes I think you're right, I interpreted things differently than what was probably intended. I was looking at the hair sprouting up after the procedure and the ones I pointed out looked thinner in all the pictures. I wasn't comparing the thickness of hairs in one picture versus the other picture, is that what you mean?

[gc83uk]

I just took a quick look just now so there may be others, but numbers 1, 4 and 22 sure look thin to me. And it might be no big deal since this was just taken shortly after the procedure, it's possible that once everything in matured in a matter of months it will be fine...but all these pictures are merely counting the hair and we have to be concerned about the quality of individual hairs as well when you're damaging the hair follicle as this procedure does do.

No offense, but think you've confused things. The hairs 1, 4 and 22 in the before pic look thinner than the day 15 pic. The day 15 pic is the 3rd HST pic vs the 9 month pic (the 2nd HST). So actually it would seem the hairs have got fatter but its more to do with the lighting. I'm sure the hairs don't get thicker after extraction, be good if they did

Are these the two pics your looking at?

[Gandolf]

No probs!

The before photo is actually labelled the 9 months pic by JJJJrS.

Its also labelled way back early in the thread at -1 day by Iron Man. If i'm not mistaken this is the exact same photo.

As for smaller looking hairs, again I could be wrong, but the quality of the pics, (before pic) is slightly less than the after pic. You can tell this from the unextracted hairs too, they also seem maybe 10% thinner. So I think it's more a photo issue. In fact because of this the hairs in the AFTER pic look fatter than the before pic.

I think you and I just posted above at the exact same time because I submitted my posts and yours was after it...in the above post I pointed out the hairs that I thought looked thinner. But yes you are right, it is extremely hard to get pictures to have the same photoquality if not taken at the same time.

[gc83uk]

Oh, you're right I forgot about that post. Regarding having the picture in this very thread as you say, this thread has over 200 posts and it's very possible I haven't read the whole thing in entirety. If you could point me in the direction of them I'd be happy to take a look and give my thoughts.

No probs!

The before photo is actually labelled the 9 months pic by JJJJrS.

Its also labelled way back early in the thread at -1 day by Iron Man. If i'm not mistaken this is the exact same photo.

As for smaller looking hairs, again I could be wrong, but the quality of the pics, (before pic) is slightly less than the after pic. You can tell this from the unextracted hairs too, they also seem maybe 10% thinner. So I think it's more a photo issue. In fact because of this the hairs in the AFTER pic look fatter than the before pic.