I've just had my procedure with Dr. Gho and want to share the results

[gc83uk]

Just an after thought on your itching.

It might not make any difference, but the shampoo I use is http://www.amazon.com/Head-Shoulders.../dp/B0043OYFJQ

Hasci give out the head and shoulders 'sensitive' version in the aftercare pack, I assume they gave you the same? But the Eucalyptus version definitely seemed to help me with the itching.

My procedure is on the 15th and 16th, Not long now.

[c5000]

Just an after thought on your itching.

It might not make any difference, but the shampoo I use is http://www.amazon.com/Head-Shoulders.../dp/B0043OYFJQ

Hasci give out the head and shoulders 'sensitive' version in the aftercare pack, I assume they gave you the same? But the Eucalyptus version definitely seemed to help me with the itching.

My procedure is on the 15th and 16th, Not long now.

Nah they never gave me any shampoo. Haha. Oh well i'll buy some tomorrow and see if it helps.

Hope your procedure goes well mate, you're definitely on the road to a full head of hair, this next procedure will fill in any gaps and the procedure after that can add density.

[gc83uk]

Nah they never gave me any shampoo. Haha. Oh well i'll buy some tomorrow and see if it helps.

Hope your procedure goes well mate, you're definitely on the road to a full head of hair, this next procedure will fill in any gaps and the procedure after that can add density.

Thanks mate.

Well I think I'm going to need at least 1400 over those 2 days, then same again 9 months later and same again a further 9 months later, so that will be approx 6000 grafts in total. The alopecia bald area was approx 85cm2 and some more grafts put in the front areas where I have naturally lose hair to MPB, so 100cm2 in all approx, would mean 60 grafts per cm2, I would be greedy to ask for more than that.

After that I'll stop if it gives me something reasonably normal looking.

[c5000]

Thanks mate.

Well I think I'm going to need at least 1400 over those 2 days, then same again 9 months later and same again a further 9 months later, so that will be approx 6000 grafts in total. The alopecia bald area was approx 85cm2 and some more grafts put in the front areas where I have naturally lose hair to MPB, so 100cm2 in all approx, would mean 60 grafts per cm2, I would be greedy to ask for more than that.

After that I'll stop if it gives me something reasonably normal looking.

Yeah, i'm hoping 6000 grafts will be enough for me too.

I thought Hasci could only go up to 50 grafts/cm2? Can they go up to 60 with stem cell injections?

[gc83uk]

I think Gho has mentioned 60 per cm2 in one of his interviews with Spencer.

As for HSI, theoretically they can go even higher than that. I'll ask these questions on my next visit.

[c5000]

I think Gho has mentioned 60 per cm2 in one of his interviews with Spencer.

As for HSI, theoretically they can go even higher than that. I'll ask these questions on my next visit.

Yeah, I have a similar aim... To take my whole balding area up to 50 grafts/cm2 and then see how that looks when it'g grown out a bit... If I can't see any scalp when it's grown out, then i'll stop, if I can see some scalp though, I'll try to add some density... Maybe by then HSI will be available for non-special cases.

Still can't believe how well things have gone overall with my procedure. I still want to investigate the failed extractions thing a bit more on my next procedure though... Just because I think my procedure has been great overall, doesn't mean I'm going to stop asking questions.

[Arashi]

I think Gho has mentioned 60 per cm2 in one of his interviews with Spencer.

As for HSI, theoretically they can go even higher than that. I'll ask these questions on my next visit.

Yeah I think I've read 60 as well. But keep in mind that even with Gho, donor is not unlimited. I asked Kristel, she told me that with the second procedure they'll normally get the same yield as the first. But starting with the 3rd procedure, the yield decreases with 100 grafts every time. This should give you a good indication of the total possible yield. This is why Kristel advised not to go up to 60 (of course this does differ from patient to patient with the most important factor being the speed of hair loss).

[Arashi]

Just read back my emails, Kristel confirmed that 60 is possible.

Personally, I think 60 shouldn't be a problem, IF your speed of hair loss is not beyond normal. I'm confident we'll have a real hairloss cure within 10-15 years so that's the window of time I personally think you should bridge. Kristel's advise NOT to go to 60 of course doesn't account for that possible cure in the future.

[c5000]

Just read back my emails, Kristel confirmed that 60 is possible.

Personally, I think 60 shouldn't be a problem, IF your speed of hair loss is not beyond normal. I'm confident we'll have a real hairloss cure within 10-15 years so that's the window of time I personally think you should bridge. Kristel's advise NOT to go to 60 of course doesn't account for that possible cure in the future.

Also when I had my consultation with Dr. Gho last year (before my actual procedure), he said he was still working on cloning hair... So personally I'm happy to get another 3 HST procedures and then hopefully the hair cloning thing will be a real possibility.

With cloning you could even refill your donor area if you were worried about it beginning to look thin.

[Arashi]

Also when I had my consultation with Dr. Gho last year (before my actual procedure), he said he was still working on cloning hair... So personally I'm happy to get another 3 HST procedures and then hopefully the hair cloning thing will be a real possibility.

With cloning you could even refill your donor area if you were worried about it beginning to look thin.

Agreed. I also think I will go against Kristel's advice and fill up my temples to 60 grafts/cm2 as well. So many interesting developments going on right now, not only in the hair specific research but also in general (stem) cell research that I'd be really amazed if there's no (partial) cure available in the next 10 years. Hence I have no problems taking that risk.

[c5000]

Agreed. I also think I will go against Kristel's advice and fill up my temples to 60 grafts/cm2 as well. So many interesting developments going on right now, not only in the hair specific research but also in general (stem) cell research that I'd be really amazed if there's no (partial) cure available in the next 10 years. Hence I have no problems taking that risk.

Yeah, my outlook has always been to try to get a decent density now while I'm young, as a cure would be no good to me when I'm in my 60s...

[JJJJrS]

Just an after thought on your itching.

It might not make any difference, but the shampoo I use is http://www.amazon.com/Head-Shoulders.../dp/B0043OYFJQ

Hasci give out the head and shoulders 'sensitive' version in the aftercare pack, I assume they gave you the same? But the Eucalyptus version definitely seemed to help me with the itching.

My procedure is on the 15th and 16th, Not long now.

gc, do you think you'll be able to shave your donor area before the procedure and take a picture of that?

At the moment, we've only had pictures taken after the procedure but we've never had a great before picture to include in the comparison. For me that's the most interesting evidence you can collect for a couple of reasons:

1. We'll see which grafts HASCI extracts from that area. For example, whether they're 1, 2, or 3-hair follicular units.

2. We'll know exactly how these hairs regenerate. If a 3-hair unit is extracted, we'll see whether it regenerates as a 3-hair, 2-hair or 1-hair unit. That would be huge in my opinion because it would completely settle the issue of graft splitting that some clinics/posters have brought up.

I've posted some of my suggestions in this post.

Hope the procedure goes great.

[didi]

gc, do you think you'll be able to shave your donor area before the procedure and take a picture of that?

At the moment, we've only had pictures taken after the procedure but we've never had a great before picture to include in the comparison. For me that's the most interesting evidence you can collect for a couple of reasons:

1. We'll see which grafts HASCI extracts from that area. For example, whether they're 1, 2, or 3-hair follicular units.

2. We'll know exactly how these hairs regenerate. If a 3-hair unit is extracted, we'll see whether it regenerates as a 3-hair, 2-hair or 1-hair unit. That would be huge in my opinion because it would completely settle the issue of graft splitting that some clinics/posters have brought up.

I've posted some of my suggestions in this post.

Hope the procedure goes great.

Even if GC takes photos prior to hst procedure it will be too hard to find which hairs were extracted unless some sort of marking/semi permanent tattoo is used.

The fact is we still didnt prove regeneration beyond reasonable doubt, there is still possibility that hasci splits 4 ,3 n 2 hair follicles...we need proof that extracted 3 hair follicle will grow as 3 in recepient area and it will regenerate as 3 hair FU in donor.....and also the thing that Gho doesnt separete grafts in petri dish makes it suspicious

We should make the most out of upcoming GCs procedure, there is no need to just focus on regeneration of donor, by now we all know hairs are growing in donor BUT what we dont know is if they are split grafts

[JJJJrS]

Even if GC takes photos prior to hst procedure it will be too hard to find which hairs were extracted unless some sort of marking/semi permanent tattoo is used.

It wouldn't be too hard to find and I'm very confident I'd be able to spot it as long as it's the same area and the hairs are shaved. In the worst case, gc could mark a couple of spots in the donor with a marker to make that much easier.

The fact is we still didnt prove regeneration beyond reasonable doubt, there is still possibility that hasci splits 4 ,3 n 2 hair follicles...we need proof that extracted 3 hair follicle will grow as 3 in recepient area and it will regenerate as 3 hair FU in donor.....and also the thing that Gho doesnt separete grafts in petri dish makes it suspicious

We should make the most out of upcoming GCs procedure, there is no need to just focus on regeneration of donor, by now we all know hairs are growing in donor BUT what we dont know is if they are split grafts

I think if gc can take some pictures of his donor before the procedure and we can match them up afterwards, then that will settle the issue of graft splitting. It won't answer every question about the procedure but if the grafts regenerate in their original configuration, and there's a high level of yield at the recipient, that's enough to show that hair multiplication is occurring and HASCI is not splitting grafts, don't you agree? Unfortunately, we won't be able to answer all questions about the procedure but we'll be able to reasonably show whether hair multiplication is occurring.

If you want a complete proof of the procedure, the most straight-forward way is to extract 50-100 grafts from a small, marked area (i.e. 5 cm^2) and implant these grafts in another small, marked area. You then count all of the hairs in both areas after a certain point in time, and you would get a number for the donor regeneration and recipient yield.

Maybe Spencer Kobren can organize something like that if he visits Gho this summer. Other than that, I'm not sure what else can be done that guys like gc and IM haven't provided.

[JJJJrS]

It wouldn't be too hard to find and I'm very confident I'd be able to spot it as long as it's the same area and the hairs are shaved. In the worst case, gc could mark a couple of spots in the donor with a marker to make that much easier.

Didi, just to prove how relatively straight-forward it would be to find the before donor spot if it's shaved and the pictures are good, check out my analysis of Iron_Man's procedure.

After 5 days, his donor was completely healed, the hairs were a bit longer too and there was practically no markings I could use to compare the two pictures. If you have some patience though, eventually you'll find it.


Also, c5000, sorry to hijack your thread. Glad to hear things seem to be going well for you. A lot of people would like to see more recipient area results from HASCI, so when your result starts to take shape, we'd love to see the before and after pictures.