The Ironman Procedure

[Arashi]

Feel free to start counting ALL extraction holes at least in all those photos, I already provided/posted.
Let me know your numbers. Thanks in advance, because that would save me some time.

I would gladly help out. If you have several shots that overlap and could serve as the basis for this, then I'll start counting

[534623]

Upper-Strip-Scar-View
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/...-Scar-View.jpg

What's the problem? Start counting.
Sorry, but my head isn't two-dimensional. How bad ...

[Arashi]

What's the problem? Start counting.
Sorry, but my head isn't two-dimensional. How bad ...

The quality of this picture is perfect for counting but you'd need to supply overlapping pictures that show the whole area. Preferably in such a way that the focus part of the pictures overlap (cause counting in the non-focus part is a lot harder).

[534623]

I mean we've seen enough ...

By the way - WHO exactly is "we" ?
You mean, you and the other six dwarfs in the Netherlands?

[Arashi]

By the way - WHO exactly is "we" ?
You mean, you and the other six dwarfs in the Netherlands?

"We" is anybody reading this thread, which also includes German people without manners.

[534623]

"We" is anybody reading this thread, which also includes German people without manners.

How do you know that "we" is reading this thread?
And how do you know that "we" has "seen enough regrowth pictures by now" because "they're all over the internet from different sources" ?

Can you show "us" please at least 1-2 of these sources, which "we" has seen all over the internet?

[Arashi]

How do you know that "we" is reading this thread?
And how do you know that "we" has "seen enough regrowth pictures by now" because "they're all over the internet from different sources" ?

Can you show "us" please at least 1-2 of these sources, which "we" has seen all over the internet?

Look, I have better things to do than waste my time with this. There are at least 5 patient documentations by now that show 'regrowth'. What we don't know yet if these are just failed extractions growing back or REAL regrowth. Your pictures are perfect for finally clearing this up. I'd have no problem in helping out and am willing to do the counting if you supply the pictures. If you're not interested in that, that's perfectly fine as well of course.

[534623]

Look, I have better things to do than waste my time with this.

Yeah? With what exactly? Better things than looking for at least 1-2 sources on the internet?

[Arashi]

Yeah? With what exactly? Looking for at least 1-2 sources on the internet?

Ok you're obviously not interested in finding out if your 'regrowth' is really regrowth or not. Your case would have been perfect for either denying or confirming the whole 'regrowth' doubts AND denying/confirming the suspicion that most Gho grafts are just single grafts.

I just don't see what your case, like you're presenting it now, does add to everything that's already out there.

[didi]

Look, I have better things to do than waste my time with this. There are at least 5 patient documentations by now that show 'regrowth'. What we don't know yet if these are just failed extractions growing back or REAL regrowth. Your pictures are perfect for finally clearing this up. I'd have no problem in helping out and am willing to do the counting if you supply the pictures. If you're not interested in that, that's perfectly fine as well of course.

Would be helpful if we knew how many 1s 2s and 3s were extracted

[Arashi]

Would be helpful if we knew how many 1s 2s and 3s were extracted

Sure. Gho seems to be the only clinic where they don't tell you that. That in combination with people reporting 'thin' recipient is only a logical basis for doubts/suspicion ..

[534623]

I just don't see what your case, like you're presenting it now, does add to everything that's already out there.

hmmm, what exactly "is already out there"?
I mean, I know a lot of guys out there, who do not even believe that traditional hair transplants work.

[Arashi]

hmmm, what exactly "is already out there"?
I mean, I know a lot of guys out there, who do not even believe that traditional hair transplants work.

You know better than anyone that there are several patient documentations out there showing 'regrowth' (or, maybe just failed extractions growing back).

What is NOT out there is a breakdown of 1s, 2s and 3s from a Gho procedure NOR a total count of (failed) extractions.

[534623]

You know better than anyone that there are several patient documentations out there showing 'regrowth' (or, maybe just failed extractions growing back).

No, I'm not aware.
If there are indeed so many as you pretend - come on, is it really so difficult for you to post the sources?
Seems it is ...

[didi]

Thats why I raised an issue of graft breakdown a month ago or so,

Hypotheticly if we knew that there were 500 3s,(33&#37 of extracted grafts(assuming you had 1500 transplanted) then you could just monitor donor area and it should regrow 33% 3s...

that would confirm donor is regenerating what was extracted and transplanted..


then recepient could be monitored too

Im surprised nobody who had procedure asked about graft count,