NeedHairASAP

[topcat]

Hairy situation I would have to agree with your assessment of what we are currently seeing with HM. I wish that were not so but common sense would tell us it is not happening. Desperation clouds the vision so I do understand guys like Ironman but I think he will be digging himself a deeper hole come April. We shall soon see.

As far as what has happened with Marco I don’t have a problem with any clinic that might have a failure it happens and no one is to blame. I do have a problem with pushing mega sessions on patients but patients should be well aware of that risk by now so they must share in the responsibility. What I do have a problem with is how a clinic handles a situation. When it works too hard to cover it up that is a clue and if you think that this type of clue only applies to that one case you are in fact completely wrong.

[534623]

Hairy situation I would have to agree with your assessment of what we are currently seeing with HM.

Sorry, but "we" doesn't see what you see (as a blind man - what EXACTLY do you see??).

Or do you think that people like Gerard Joling, Scissorboy Wesley Snijder, gc83uk etc etc etc etc SEE the same what you see as a blind man??

[JJJJrS]

Hairy situation I would have to agree with your assessment of what we are currently seeing with HM. I wish that were not so but common sense would tell us it is not happening. Desperation clouds the vision so I do understand guys like Ironman but I think he will be digging himself a deeper hole come April. We shall soon see.

As far as what has happened with Marco I don’t have a problem with any clinic that might have a failure it happens and no one is to blame. I do have a problem with pushing mega sessions on patients but patients should be well aware of that risk by now so they must share in the responsibility. What I do have a problem with is how a clinic handles a situation. When it works too hard to cover it up that is a clue and if you think that this type of clue only applies to that one case you are in fact completely wrong.

I'm not a big fan of hair transplants or any cosmetic surgery and I do appreciate your efforts to warn people about the risks behind them.

One aspect that I think deserves more credit from Gho's HST, and I think a repair patient like yourself should appreciate this, is the option to buzz down/shave your head. This is an option that is eliminated if you ever get a FUT or most FUE procedures. Most repair patients understand how valuable this is, although it's something a lot of inexperienced hair transplant patients neglect, because most assume their result will be great and remain great down the line. From all the cases we've seen documented online, it seems clear that the HST procedure is the least invasive and with practically no visible scarring.

This is why I think Gho's procedure merits far more interest from the hair transplant community. It would be a disservice to completely ignore this minimally invasive procedure, that has some evidence of donor regeneration as well. Let's take a systematic look at it, find out what the regeneration rate is, whether the transplanted grafts maintain the same diameter, texture as the donor grafts. That's a much more productive approach then dismissing the procedure, which is in the interests of a few, or jumping to the other extreme and neglecting the drawbacks.

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Desperation clouds the vision so I do understand guys like Ironman but I think he will be digging himself a deeper hole come April. We shall soon see.

Yup, that's what I call a "fact based" posting.

[JJJJrS]

Facts? As you know, facts are not always desirable - and sometimes they are very risky (if you post them). Anyway, I very often tried (mostly just for myself) to COMPARE HST results with similar conventional ("show case") hair transplants ... like in this case 1400 HST grafts versus a 2550 (!) "golden standard" hair transplant. Come on guys, don't tell me sh't ...

There are plenty of results from IAHRS surgeons that I would consider poor and we can spend pages and pages listing them. That goes for all hair transplant doctors. Some of them don't have a single result I'd consider impressive. In comparison, Wesley Sneijder's result might be the best I've seen when you consider the small number of grafts that were used (I believe it was 1.5k) and the immediate recovery time (hair was looking good after a month). That doesn't mean every patient from Gho is going to get a result like Sneijder. If we look at the HASCI website, there are quite a few mediocre, underwhelming results. I also hope we can get more conclusive information on Joling's results. In general, we just haven't seen enough case studies to really make a concrete conclusion.

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In general, we just haven't seen enough case studies to really make a concrete conclusion.

How many OBJECTIVE and INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE "case studies" (in general in this "industry") could you see during the past 20 years??

Can you post us some examples? thanks.

[JJJJrS]

How many OBJECTIVE and INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE "case studies" (in general in this "industry") could you see during the past 20 years??

Can you post us some examples? thanks.

I was mainly referring to before and after results posted online, so we can evaluate HASCI's artistic ability, not necessarily scientific, independently verifiable case studies in the sense that you're thinking of. Obviously that doesn't exist with FUT and FUE either, anymore than Gho's peer-reviewed paper.

I personally haven't seen enough before and after results at this point to convince me to go down the HST path yet, but I'm sure more results will be posted. It seems that you feel otherwise and I wish you the best with your procedure. I hope you document your case online, because if any patient can provide conclusive evidence, it's you.

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I hope you document your case online, because if any patient can provide conclusive evidence, it's you.

Sure, but just for myself and for my own further (availaible graft)calculations on one hand, real comparison studies on the other hand. Otherwise I completely agree with ...

To the annoying skeptics;

If I were to get Gho's HST procedure, what the f**k makes any of you think i'd shave my head just to satisfy you losers when I've spent thousands of dollars to ENJOY having hair?

Quit bitching, shut up and get the procedure yourself if your that desperate for an answer that satisfies your curiosity.

[25 going on 65]

Which one (of the "most"), and what do you know about them?

Sorry, but just "blah blah blah" doesn't help anyone.

See the photos on the official website, which is a marketing tool meant to make the procedure look good. The results are cosmetically mediocre (do not take my word for it, look for yourself). Quite sparse despite that the hair is styled to give more coverage in the "after" photos and expose more scalp in the "before" photos.
I watched the scissorboy 16 month video again and his right side looks thin. Left side looks better but not dense, although it is hard to judge for certain due to reasons I mentioned before. (To be fair Gho does not advertise as a dense packing clinic to my knowledge).
Joling looks thin.
Sneijder actually looks good but he is buzzed, which we all know is good for sparser hair. What does it look like grown out? hairysituation's comment about looking like "pubic hair" might be an overstatement but I see where he is coming from on the website photos.
If there are particular results you want me to look at, I will

[25 going on 65]

One thing though--earlier I said I didn't know if he was wearing concealer in the 16 month video. At this point I will say he is not, at least not in the thinner looking parts of the transplanted areas.

[534623]

See the photos on the official website, which is a marketing tool meant to make the procedure look good. The results are cosmetically mediocre (do not take my word for it, look for yourself).

Watch this video ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xapYyuI0lVA

... and you will know (34:20) that they are NOT "maketing tool meant" - in fact, they are just meant for such guys like you, who are mostly brainwashed by the many marketing tool meant before/after photos on hair loss forums.

btw - in this video, Dr. Gho is asking Spencer Kobren the same question: "To WHICH patient result do you/their refer?" And what do you know about this patients in general? So you have to ask Spencer Kobren about the answers.

[ccmethinning]

Most people on this forum seem to think that unless a treatment can turn this:



into this




In 1 office visit, for under $2000, and have it all grown in 1 month that it is not a viable treatment.

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In 1 office visit, for under $2000, and have it all grown in 1 month that it is not a viable treatment.

1 month?? Are you crazy or what??? The hairs have to grow in OVER NIGHT!!

[ccmethinning]

I challenge all those complaining to find a graft by graft comparison that proves that Gho's procedure is inferior.

For example, find a 1500 graft FUE that you think is better than a 1500 graft HST on someone with similar norwood levels and hair characteristics.

Lets compare apple to apples, not apples (1500 grafts HST) to oranges (6000 grafts FUT).

[534623]

Sneijder actually looks good but he is buzzed,
which we all know is good for sparser hair.

Yup, especially in the sunlight - or in a football stadium, where they always use, you know, candlelight for the lightning ...