HASCI - -How well does it work? Now we'll be able to find out!

[Arashi]

Those missing 7 extraction points: I was talking about the left side of the "before" pictures, just below area 10, or left to area 7B. You didn't label that area?

Ah right I see them now, yes you are right, I missed those, will analyze them today too. Thanks !

I'm in a hurry now, but trying to remember, left to graft 4 I see, to have added an extraction point. The others modifications are mostly just corrections to the extent or size of the circles in the fringe areas, for example, my circles in the "fringe" area on the right side of area 8, which is kind of the same location as area 9.

PS. If you had photoshop or any other basic photo editor, you could superpose the old version with the new and see pretty quickly the differences.

Yeah I'm not such an advanced graphics artist unfortunately I'm using paint which is kinda difficult when it comes to changes. Other than that I like it a lot, very straightforward and doing exactly what I need.

Anyway if you could find the area's + graft numbers, that would help a lot. I'll then make the changes (by copy/pasting the original part over it and then redo the circles).

Also should I start with the right side already or are you still working on checking/updating that ?

[Arashi]

Just now, made another minor addition to the aforementioned picture

Ok cool, havent started with the right area just yet, will do so today !

[AlmostUndone]

Just now, made another minor addition to the aforementioned picture (right side).

Those missing 7 extraction points: I was talking about the left side of the "before" pictures, just below area 10, or left to area 7B. You didn't label that area?

I'm in a hurry now, but trying to remember, left to graft 4 I see, to have added an extraction point. The others modifications are mostly just corrections to the extent or size of the circles in the fringe areas, for example, my circles in the "fringe" area on the right side of area 8, which is kind of the same location as area 9.

PS. If you had photoshop or any other basic photo editor, you could superpose the old version with the new and see pretty quickly the differences.

[Arashi]

Hey mate. I've updated http://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/...e_final_98.jpg
I copied Area 1 into it, which I had analyzed seperately. I also put in the Area numbering with bigger fonts so it's easier to see how I labeled it.

Those missing 7 extraction points, in what area are they ? I now labeled area 11 seperately, not sure if that's what you mean ? But I already counted them in Area 8.

Also, can you maybe give me the area numbers and graft numbers in my pics that you've changed ? Thanks !

[AlmostUndone]

I also updated "right_side_final_98.jpg". I recommend going with the latest version!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/right_side_final_98.jpg

[AlmostUndone]

Ps. I noticed you didn't count the tiny area just above the ear, where there are 7 extraction points

Pps. The outermost fringe zones of each photo, which provide secondary viewpoints, are sometimes very useful in determining how many hairs there are in a group. For example, I myself counted many of the hairs in area 9, using the outermost edge of area 8. Hope you saw this advantage when counting

[AlmostUndone]

So I finished analyzing your left donor part ! I've counted 821 extraction points and according to my analysis 646 hairs were lost there.

I've counted every graft that appeared in the same formation in before and after photo as a failed extraction and thus the grafts that had less hairs in the after photo I've counted as succesful extraction. That way I ended up with 465 succesful extractions, which seems to correlate quite good with what you've said (>450 grafts extracted).

So everything at this moment points at no regeration at all: grafts that grew fully back seem just failed extractions and the total hairloss in succesfully extracted grafts correlate with normal hair gain in recipient (at this point would come down to 1111 lost hairs which would be 1.38 hair/graft which would be a normal HASCI recipient density result) .

I will continue counting your right part the coming week. Also will upload my analysis photo's soon (tomorrow I think). And then we'll need to count recipient soon ! I think next weekend I'll have your right donor side ready so we can then start with the recipient

Oh, ok. I just updated the "left_side_final_98.jpeg" file (i.e. the "Before" photos). There was some problems with the circles in the "secondary" viewpoints, especially in the lowermost sections of the image. I made some corrections to these "secondary" viewpoints, where I found some circles were a bit differently aligned than in the main photos. Also, I used more eraser on some circles, which seemed to be obscuring the hairs. And also, there was 1 extraction point, which was missing, in the upper-right part of the image (area 3, I think). You can superposition the new version on top of the old to see the difference.

[Arashi]

Actually, here is my whole analysis of the left side:

pre situation:

area1: www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area1_Before.jpg
area 2-10: https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images...e_final_98.jpg

(I should probably just paste area1 into the area 2-10 photo)

after situation:

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area1_after.jpg

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area2_after.bmp

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area3_after.bmp

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area4_after.bmp

www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area5_after.jpg (I rotated it for easier analysis)

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area6_after.bmp

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area7A_after.bmp

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area7B_after.bmp

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area8_after.bmp

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area9_after.bmp

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area9A_after.bmp

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area10_after.bmp

Excel sheet:

https://www.hasci-exposed.com/Differences.xls

I've made it so that anyone can easily verify our work and count everything or parts themselves and check the analysis.

[Arashi]

So I finished analyzing your left donor part ! I've counted 821 extraction points and according to my analysis 646 hairs were lost there.

I've counted every graft that appeared in the same formation in before and after photo as a failed extraction and thus the grafts that had less hairs in the after photo I've counted as succesful extraction. That way I ended up with 465 succesful extractions, which seems to correlate quite good with what you've said (>450 grafts extracted).

So everything at this moment points at no regeration at all: grafts that grew fully back seem just failed extractions and the total hairloss in succesfully extracted grafts correlate with normal hair gain in recipient (at this point would come down to 1111 lost hairs which would be 1.38 hair/graft which would be a normal HASCI recipient density result) .

I will continue counting your right part the coming week. Also will upload my analysis photo's soon (tomorrow I think). And then we'll need to count recipient soon ! I think next weekend I'll have your right donor side ready so we can then start with the recipient

[Arashi]

No it isn't like that.

<350 from the right, and 450< from the left. I recall the nurse said something like that. Can't remember the exact number.

Ok, great ! I've now counted 611 extraction points on your left donor side (I'm still not done with the left). What I did in my analysis is count every graft that grew back in the same amount of hairs as failed extraction, and all others as succesful extractions. That way I've now counted 353 succesful extractions in your left side. So I figured, if the grafts are split 400/400 then something must be wrong in my method. But >450 from the left, that seems to correspond quite good with my findings

[AlmostUndone]

@Almostundone: hey do you happen to know if HASCI took 400 grafts from the left and 400 from the right ? Or isn't it split like that ?

No it isn't like that.

<350 from the right, and 450< from the left. I recall the nurse said something like that. Can't remember the exact number.

[Arashi]

@Almostundone: hey do you happen to know if HASCI took 400 grafts from the left and 400 from the right ? Or isn't it split like that ?

[Arashi]

I don't want to defend HASCI at all, but do you think there is a possibility that the donor follicles which you noticed that lost hair will regenerate fully at a later time?

The cases that HASCI showed in their paper all showed that hair started to 'regenerate' already after a few days and most hair had 'regenerated' after 3 months, that's why we used that time frame too.

[paleocapa89]

I don't want to defend HASCI at all, but do you think there is a possibility that the donor follicles which you noticed that lost hair will regenerate fully at a later time? I've read about FUE transplant somewhere for example that it is possible that a transplanted 2haired follicle will first produce 1 hair and later another one as it matures. Is there a possibility that it will happen to the donor follicles as well? Or maybe a damaged donor follicle might regenerate in the next anagen cycle several years later? I'm just theorizing stuff, I don't have the required knowledge of course.

BTW do we know what determines whether a hair follicle will produce 1-2-3 or 4 hairs? Is it determined during fetal development when the follicles form? Can a follicle ever transform from a 1haired follicle to a 3haired follicle forexample? I've read somewhere that during AGA miniaturization the multi haired follicles will produce less and less hairs as they shrink, so I'd assume a 4haired follicle can transform to a 1haired follicle forexample due to AGA. So many questions..

[caddarik79]

well done guyz !

Arashi: if HST is really the fraud you are calling for more than 3 years already and if you can build solid proofs out of this thread, I think you are right to propose a lawsuit because it would mean that they have fooled hundreds and hundreds of people like you and I and many others via their regeneration argument.

I would never have considered a simple FUE or any other intervention, never, because moving follicles from one place to another was not my motivation, I chose to make that step for the ONLY very reason that they claimed 85% regeneration in donor !
I never took a single pill of finasteride nor have I ever put minox on my head because they are not good solutions. I was patiently waiting for multipication or something related to regenerative medecine.

The fact that they refuse further discussions when it comes to show evidence of multiple procedures (8 HST and only slightly depleted donor -- in Spencer interview but never ever a picture of those) is already a bit weird.

If it ever comes true and checked and triple checked and official that they have no regeneration happening, I am in for the lawsuit.

If they are regenerating 85% as they claim, I'm in for multiple sessions (I have money aside just for that), as simple as that !