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  • Arashi
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    Originally posted by c5000
    After having had 3 previous HSTs, I would be interested in joining the lawsuit...
    Great ! Well I'm first going to double check the donor result and then we'll still need to analyse recipient. But it doesnt look good for HASCI at this point for sure. But yeah let's discuss a possible lawsuit when all the analysis is done and double checked, I'm too seriously thinking about at least inquiering at a law firm about the costs and how they consider the case.

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  • c5000
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    After having had 3 previous HSTs, I would be interested in joining the lawsuit...

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  • Swooping
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    Good job Arashi . Would be fun if you would all come together and sue them.

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  • Arashi
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    So, I've finished the donor analysis ! My findings:

    * I've analysed 1598 extraction points
    * I've counted 1172 lost hairs
    * I've counted 854 extraction points that had less hair in the after photo.

    As HASCI transplanted 800 grafts, one would expect 800 extraction points with less hair, I'm pretty happy to have ended less than 7% away from that ! I myself explain this (small) difference because of:
    A) Some hair just going into resting mode instead of really being lost
    B) errors in counting.
    C) Some failed extractions might have caused severe damage to grafts and thus hairloss


    If we go with the situation that's most favourable for HASCI (so no category C, but just A and B), then we'd need to lower the 1172 with 7%, which would translate to 1090 really lost hairs in donor. This would translate to 1.36 hair/graft in recipient.

    As we've seen even lower hair/graft count in previous cases, at this point this result would indicate no regrowth at all. BUT we'll now need to analyse recipient to make sure !

    @Almostundone: I'll wait till you're done with you initial work on recipient. In the meanwhile I'll go over my analysis again, do some recounting, analyse other views etc and will update the result.

    So here's my analysis of the right side of your donor:

    The before situation:


    The after situation:












    And the excel sheet with my calcs:



    As I'll be doing my re-analysis the next few days, the files at those links locations might be updated with corrections. BTW when I'm talking about re-analysis I mean the analysis of how many hairs were lost per graft. The lines/circles are perfect, I'm pretty sure of that. But it's the hairloss itself that might contain errors: it's sometimes hard to see how many hairs there are in a graft. But analysing alternative viewpoints might cut down on some errors there.

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  • Arashi
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    Done for the day, can't see any more hairs So far I've counted 1256 extraction sites, I've counted 945 lost hairs and 686 succesful extractions. So I'm at about 85% of your donor now. I should easily be able to finish the remaining 15% next week.

    Current prediction of the final result: 800/686 * 945 = 1102 lost hairs in donor. If your recipient density is 1.3, like we've seen in previous HASCI cases, then you'd have received 1040 hairs in your recipient. Which would mean no regeneration but a net loss of 68 hairs.

    But again, we'll need to analyse your recipient to find out about the density !

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  • Arashi
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    Originally posted by AlmostUndone
    They didn't put any in the front, either.

    I succeeded extremely well capturing getting those very small hairs in the temples. I haven't had time to cherry pick them. But here's few wider shots, which I'm planning to connect the more zoomed in photos. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/.../Recipient.jpg
    So you've shot a great amount of high quality pics, both pre-op and post surgery and put some lines on your scalp to easily link the photo's really really nice !

    I don't think HASCI expected to get someone like you in their clinic, who would be able to kill their little fairytale with such high quality photo's In fact I myself thought it would be impossible/unfeasible to do such an analysis. But your case is like a dream case for analysis, because of the relatively small amount of grafts, all recipient grafts placed in a virgin scalp area, the markings you've made to connect the photo's and the very high quality pre-op and post-op photo's you've shot ! So nice indeed !

    Anyway I'll have a couple of hours today again, will continue my work on the donor analysis.

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  • AlmostUndone
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    Originally posted by Arashi
    I think normally they put grafts between the temples too, but in your case it all seems to have been placed inside the temples, which is like a perfect scenario for analysis. Do you have good pre-op photo's of recipient too ?
    They didn't put any in the front, either.

    I succeeded extremely well capturing getting those very small hairs in the temples. I haven't had time to cherry pick them. But here's few wider shots, which I'm planning to connect the more zoomed in photos. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/.../Recipient.jpg

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  • Arashi
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    Originally posted by AlmostUndone
    I think normally they put grafts between the temples too, but in your case it all seems to have been placed inside the temples, which is like a perfect scenario for analysis. Do you have good pre-op photo's of recipient too ?

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  • AlmostUndone
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    Originally posted by Arashi
    I had hoped recipient would be trivial and relatively quickly done but thinking now about it, seperating the newly implanted hairs from the exisisting ones is going to be a hell of a job too indeed.
    You may be right. But putting the necessary images together is no problem. I got pretty sharp photographs right after the procedure, which at least sharply delineate the zones, where the grafts landed:





    And Here are the corrections, I was talking about:

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  • Arashi
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    Originally posted by AlmostUndone
    Oh, good if you are. Take a look still at the newest version, with one more added viewpoints for, updated one second ago.

    Recipient, next weekend? In your dreams, man! Society needs me too. But I might start very soon linking the existing "before" photos for recipient.
    I had hoped recipient would be trivial and relatively quickly done but thinking now about it, seperating the newly implanted hairs from the exisisting ones is going to be a hell of a job too indeed.

    Anyway, I'll keep working on analyzing donor this week.

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  • AlmostUndone
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    Oh, good if you are. Take a look still at the newest version, with one more added viewpoints for, updated one second ago.

    Recipient, next weekend? In your dreams, man! Society needs me too. But I might start very soon linking the existing "before" photos for recipient.

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  • Arashi
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    @Almostundone: I'm making good progress with the right side already ! It's, like you said, smaller than the left so it should be less work. I'm pretty sure I'll have it done before next weekend already. So, I was thinking, if you have time you could start shooting pics of recipient already, outline the parts and link them, all like you did for the donor.

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  • Arashi
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    Ah I just downloaded the right side and see what you mean with the red area. That doesnt seem a problem, I can fill out the red area with white later. Will start now with the right side !

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  • Arashi
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    Originally posted by AlmostUndone
    @ Arashi

    Ok, I'll point them changes out to you. Tomorrow, perhaps.

    I'm done with the right side. Hm... backgrounded turns red. Hope there's nothing else strange about the file. It's probably just some bug because I haven't restarted my computer in several weeks. I'll try uploading it again, but will take six hours for me to get home.
    Ok let me know when I can download the right side please

    I've updated the before picture now with Area 11 (those 7 missing grafts) and added the after photo: http://www.hasci-exposed.com/images/area11_after.bmp
    I've also updated the excell sheet with Area 11.

    And I've place some nice pointers to quickly show how to interpret the whole photo (I had to stare at it quite a while before I understood it myself, now people should be able to quickly see how everything fits together).



    It's become a nice piece of art eh

    Looking forward to analyse the right side ! I think I can have it done within a week, so recipient next weekend ?

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  • AlmostUndone
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    @ Arashi

    Ok, I'll point them changes out to you. Tomorrow, perhaps.

    I'm done with the right side. Hm... backgrounded turns red. Hope there's nothing else strange about the file. It's probably just some bug because I haven't restarted my computer in several weeks. I'll try uploading it again, but will take six hours for me to get home.

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