a documented case of the 9 procedures= 13.000 grafts in HASCI would solve everything

[locke999]

It all makes me even more skeptical though. If I were HASCI and I had something that worked and people are doubting it works on pretty much every forum out there and then a guy comes who can help me prove that what I have works and actually even wants to pay for it... I'd jump for joy and would schedule an appointment tomorrow !! I think that's what anybody would do in that position, of course only IF they had something that worked ....

On the other hand, if you're in a position that you know what you have doesnt work, then you're going to try to do everything to never let that test take place .. Pretty much like we're seeing now. I mean, come on, 1.5 months have passed and still nothing and now Gho wants to talk in private with me ? I just want that damn test !

It's weird ... Anyway will keep you guys updated

Well, to be fair, taking on what appears to be a challenge towards their credibility is very alarming. They don't really know who you are and they should be suspicious of your intentions, this is their livelihood after all. In their eyes, you could just be some dude who is set out to defame them and even if the 80% regrowth is successful, you would not admit it and claim it to have failed. That is, if we give them the benefit of the doubt.

[cocacola]

If regeneration is significantly lower than claimed ( less than 60%), then i would definitely ask for a small compensation. A rebate for the next procedure would satisfy me. Then, if there is no regen at all, its a different story. I am in my early 20s, and took the hst road because of regeneration. If there is none and i have transplanted hair only in front and cant do more, i am not in a nice situation to put it nicely. If they give a negative answer to arashi, we have to knock on spencer door for help. Now imagine if they try to bribe arashi in that meeting .

[Arashi]

Now imagine if they try to bribe arashi in that meeting .

LOL, I've thought of several scenario's but bribing isn't really one of them, pretty sure they wouldn't even think of that. But I do find it weird, to me it really seems that there's only one possible reason for such a meeting and that's trying to talk me out of that 50 graft test, I really can't think of any other goal for such a meeting.... If they were honest, they wouldnt ask for such a meeting and would jump for joy and plan that 50 graft test for tomorrow ! What I do think is the most likely scenario is that they're going to try to scare me out of the test, treathening me with legal action. Which I would welcome, I have money, good lawyers and 100% confident I'll win and if they threaten me with lawyers, then I'm going to ask my lawyers to see if there's a way to start a class action law suit against them, I just see it's possible in the Netherlands:

Dutch law allows associations (verenigingen) and foundations (stichtingen) to bring a so-called collective action on behalf of other persons, provided they can represent the interests of such persons according to their by-laws (statuten) (section 3:305a Dutch Civil Code). All types of actions are permitted, excluding a claim for monetary damages. Most class actions over the past decade have been in the field of securities fraud and financial services. The acting association or foundation may come to a collective settlement with the defendant. The settlement may also include – and usually primarily consists of – monetary compensation of damages. Such settlement can be declared binding for all injured parties by the Amsterdam Court of Appeal (section 7:907 Dutch Civil Code). The injured parties have an opt-out right during the opt-out period set by the Court, usuallay 3 to 6 months. Interestingly, settlements involving injured parties from outside The Netherlands can also be declared binding by the Court. Notably since US courts are reluctant to take up class actions brought on behalf of injured parties not residing in the US who have suffered damages due to acts or omissions committed outside the US, it may be interesting to combine a US class action and a Dutch collective action to be able come to a settlement that covers plaintiffs worldwide. An example of this is the Royal Dutch Shell Oil Reserves Settlement that was declared binding upon both US and non-US plaintiffs.

If they're going to threaten me, then they'll have that for sure as my answer. I'm hoping it wouldn't get this far though but man... I just really can't think of any other reason for that meeting. They obviously don't want that 50 graft to take place.

[Pentarou]

Whatever transpires Arashi, I wish you good luck.

[caddarik79]

If they do that, they are killing their own business.

Listen, I was one of Gho top defender... but after some really shitty communication of them, I started to read you more carefully!!

It's not fair to maintain people in doubt, to lie if they do (ex: when I got the procedure, I was told recipient is 2.5* number of grafts/// and it seems that we never get there).

it's easy to answer that they don't want to interact with forum community, but since we are numerous patients asking the same question, they should be more transparent.

in 2012, I was sure I had found the surgical cure, cause 85% is a promise.
Later with all what happend here, I started to doubt, and decide to put me on standbye.

They also were supposed to bring something to forum community, you told us that a month ago... and still nothing.

It's not that we are against them, I have cash for another three procedures... easy.... but still, I'm not jumping on it, and it's their fault.

[caddarik79]

I would also add that 2014 seems honest for a cure to arrive (I'm not saying it is, of course) but I am so disgusted that 20 years after propecia, there is still not something far better out there!!!!

80-85% regen was the perfect treatment for bridging until cure...

80-85% regen in donor should allow the institute to present a gallery full of NW6>> NW1 people!!!!


They are good, but seem not to be as good as we all thought, and I don't get that we still don't receive stronger message from them to clarify and let us confidently book another procedure.

[534623]

...legal action. Which I would welcome, I have money, good lawyers and 100% confident I'll win...

I guess they would welcome such a legal action too; the last legal action brought them a lot of attention and finally patients - including me.

So be a real man (and not such a half portion on hairloss forums with a big mouth) and contact immediately your super duper laywer!


Good luck!

[caddarik79]

... and to come back to the title of my thread;

coming online with Spencer to swear that they have a 13.000 grafts patient back with a full head of hair but not being allowed to show any proof was just pointless.

It was even giving new arguments to bashers and doubters!!!!

[Arashi]

They are good, but seem not to be as good as we all thought, and I don't get that we still don't receive stronger message from them to clarify and let us confidently book another procedure.

If it works, I'd book a procedure immediately too ! And I think more people would do that. Obviously, it would be in their best interest to do that 50 graft test as soon as possible, IF it really worked ... Cause right now it seems only Ironman is left as believer in 80%-85% regeneration. And it would be SO easy for them to make believers out of us too. Just do that 50 graft test and we'll all be convinced.

[534623]

It's not fair to maintain people in doubt, to lie if they do (ex: when I got the procedure, I was told recipient is 2.5* number of grafts/// and it seems that we never get there).

If what you claim is true and they really TOLD you this hairs/graft ratio, THAT is the only thing you (including me) can really blame them, because this is for the average patient simply NOT true!

[caddarik79]

yes... we would be very easy to book other procedures regarding all the other aspects that are indeed 5 stars treatment, no pain, great people, cool location...

[JJJJrS]

It's not fair to maintain people in doubt, to lie if they do (ex: when I got the procedure, I was told recipient is 2.5* number of grafts/// and it seems that we never get there).

They've already been caught lying multiple times. The 2.5 hairs per graft they claimed is closer to 1 than 2. Finding a 3-hair graft in the recipient is next to impossible despite the fact that they claimed it was no problem to deal with. There's zero chance that the donor regeneration is even close to 80% too.

They should have been honest about their procedure from the beginning but instead they promoted the procedure like it was a cure.

[caddarik79]

If what you claim is true and they really TOLD you this hairs/graft ratio, THAT is the only thing you (including me) can really blame them, because this is for the average patient simply NOT true!

exactly, cause regarding the number of grafts (1800) in my case, I expected some density on my front.
I'am back to my almost original frame, they do a great job in many many levels...
the only stain is some misleading promises!!!!

I trust regen, regarding Gaz, it's obviius and I don't have to go that fare, my donor still looks dense pristine.... but I want certitude on 85% and would like them to be more open to communicate and also infomr us about them improving the 2.5 which seems not to be!!!

[Arashi]

yes... we would be very easy to book other procedures regarding all the other aspects that are indeed 5 stars treatment, no pain, great people, cool location...

Agreed, I did like the treatment itself, everything sailed smoothly and location and people were great. However I am really disappointed with the poor aesthetic skills of the doctor who treated me (as I showed previously on pictures, tons of incorrect angled hair), so IF I would ever go there again, I'd definitely would get another doctor. I think Gho himself has demonstrated the best aesthetic skills for his firm.

[Arashi]

exactly, cause regarding the number of grafts (1800) in my case, I expected some density on my front.

I remember a guy who complained a lot on the Dutch forums, that the density he got via HASCI was visibly way lower than the density he got from a FUE, while HASCI even gave him more grafts. Back then I thought the guy was just trying to bash, but nowadays we know that HST density is about half of FUE density.