a documented case of the 9 procedures= 13.000 grafts in HASCI would solve everything

[caddarik79]

Everything is in the title.

They could so easily hide the face of the patient and let us focus on the donor, recipient, hairline of the so-called 9 procedures >> 13.000 grafts mentioned by Dr Gho in the 2nd interview with Spencer.

Step by step, the reverse of the NW, in 9 procedures.
And the proof that donor is only slightly depleted as Gho assured himself...
Nowadays and especially in hair loss HT industry, we need proofs with the image or video, words are words, it helps no one.

[LT56]

Everything is in the title.

They could so easily hide the face of the patient and let us focus on the donor, recipient, hairline of the so-called 9 procedures >> 13.000 grafts mentioned by Dr Gho in the 2nd interview with Spencer.

Step by step, the reverse of the NW, in 9 procedures.
And the proof that donor is only slightly depleted as Gho assured himself...
Nowadays and especially in hair loss HT industry, we need proofs with the image or video, words are words, it helps no one.

I hear you, Caddarik, but put yourself in Gho's shoes. Would you call up one of your former patients and say, "I know you wanted to stay anonymous, but would you mind coming in for a few photos and we can cover your face completely? A bunch of guys on TBT need proof of my procedure." He'd look like an ass to that patient. Would you do that if you were him, especially if you have all the business you can handle right now?

[fred970]

So, there really are people who had 13000 grafts running around? Yeah right...

[caddarik79]

I hear you, Caddarik, but put yourself in Gho's shoes. Would you call up one of your former patients and say, "I know you wanted to stay anonymous, but would you mind coming in for a few photos and we can cover your face completely? A bunch of guys on TBT need proof of my procedure." He'd look like an ass to that patient. Would you do that if you were him, especially if you have all the business you can handle right now?

Yes and no..

You can easily shadow the entire face up to the highest point of the forehead.
i don't see where is the problem.
And it's somehow weird that only the 1500 grafts cases agree to show result on gallery, don't you think?

If you are garanteed that pics will only focus on your scalp, it makes you anonymous, wouldn't you accept? especially if the people who ask are those who saved you from a NW7, giving you back a NW2 or 1?
They could even offer him a tenth procedure in exchange, and still, the case would be the absolute advertisement for them.

It's just a bit a lack of big transformations for a so-called revolutionnary technique.
Gho bragged about this case, but what is the point?
"Yeah I have a 13.000 grafts patient, full head of hair, slightly depleted donor, but I can never show you." isn't it also a bit stupid ? seriously?


I mean, we have to take his words, only words (are you kidding?)... but what if I go there, they make the procedure and when it's time to pay, I swear I have money at home, but I need to go and come back and give them, do you think they will take my words?

[caddarik79]

So, there really are people who had 13000 grafts running around? Yeah right...

Yes, he claims it very officialy in his second interview with Spencer.

[fred970]

You know what we say in those cases... "Pics or it didn't happen!"

[LT56]

Yes and no..

You can easily shadow the entire face up to the highest point of the forehead.
i don't see where is the problem.
And it's somehow weird that only the 1500 grafts cases agree to show result on gallery, don't you think?

If you are garanteed that pics will only focus on your scalp, it makes you anonymous, wouldn't you accept? especially if the people who ask are those who saved you from a NW7, giving you back a NW2 or 1?
They could even offer him a tenth procedure in exchange, and still, the case would be the absolute advertisement for them.

It's just a bit a lack of big transformations for a so-called revolutionnary technique.
Gho bragged about this case, but what is the point?
"Yeah I have a 13.000 grafts patient, full head of hair, slightly depleted donor, but I can never show you." isn't it also a bit stupid ? seriously?


I mean, we have to take his words, only words (are you kidding?)... but what if I go there, they make the procedure and when it's time to pay, I swear I have money at home, but I need to go and come back and give them, do you think they will take my words?

Yeah, your points make sense. But we don't know what that patient said. He could have said, "absolutley not". And, maybe the best Gho could get out of that guy was mere bragging rights without pictures; yeah it may sound stupid if people come after him for more proof, but it still increases the appeal to potential patients. I want proof as much as you do, but we may want to consider Gho's situation a little more. I wish we didn't have to speculate like this, too.
Is there any more word of a North American doctor buying rights? That would be at least some re-assurance to me.

[Kalio]

Soon when Pilofocus becomes reality, Gho's unproven techniques will be obsolete. At least Dr. Wesley is willing to share his techniques and thus contribute to the community. Why couldn't Gho?

[cotto]

gho dont care about a few tbt forum posters but he cares about getting an interview with Spencer to promote his technique?
No sense for me, it is just scarless fue.
It have been talked about, why only cases of two or three procedures on his site? not even a 6 procedure cases.

[ss1980]

They must have pics of this guy unless he is fictional. Hasci takes pics before and after you have procedure. Even if they show this guy I wont b impressed, 13 000 hst=7 000 H&W grafts, what is the big deal?? And to get to 13 000 you need 9 procedures, 8 Years

[534623]

9 procedures >> 13.000 grafts mentioned by Dr Gho in the 2nd interview with Spencer.

Man, are these data really so hard to believe?

Let me look and compare with my own data:



According to all these FACTS, I can always calculate a loss of around 440 follicular units (FU’s) per session/procedure and the procedure data (see 1st pic above) do not vary that much from session to session as well. That means, according to my own data, I can (at least for a rough estimation) always simply calculate a FU-loss of around 440 FU’s per HST to get around 1500 HSTs for the recipient areas.

So what does it mean in numbers?
According to all this, how many HSTs with around 1500 HST grafts for the recipient area can I get until I reach a maximum loss of 4000-6000 FU’s? - what’s basically the average amount a baldy can afford to lose in his donor area...

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EXAMPLE 1
If I can afford to lose 4000 FU’s (hairless gaps) in my donor area (4000 / 440):
= 9 HST procedures with 1500 HST grafts/session
= 18,225 HAIRS (13500 grafts x 1.35 hairs/graft)!

Comparison with traditional FUE:
~8,000 HAIRS (4000 grafts x 2.0 hairs/graft) – and finally GAME OVER!

WINNER: HST with a gain of around 10,000 healthy hairs MORE for the recipient!

EXAMPLE 2
If I can afford to lose 6000 FU’s (hairless gaps) in my donor area (6000 / 440):
~14 HST procedures with 1500 HST grafts/session
= 28,350 HAIRS (21000 grafts x 1.35 hairs/graft)!

Comparison with traditional FUE:
~12,000 HAIRS (6000 grafts x 2.0 hairs/graft) – and finally GAME OVER!

WINNER: HST with a gain of around 16,000 healthy hairs MORE for the recipient!
********************************

Anyway, that’s how HST works for the AVERAGE person.

btw – As soon as you try to “mix” HST procedures with traditional FUE (to keep the costs low or whatever the reason), the chance to get to most out of a certain and limited SOURCE (donor area), the game would be immediately OVER for you, according to the calculations above!

And now the best part of all:

My opinion is that you can really go nuts by following each speculative threads on this forum and comparing with the confident speeches and replies of HASCI.

Deborah also told me that the high paying patients don't want to be public, they don't give their agreement and she also reminded me or kind of opend my mind on one thing: if we show a gallery of high paying patient with great results, it will gie to much hope for laymen... not everybody can give 50 or 60K for hairs.

So who can give 50 or 60K or even more for hairs?

Hands up guys …lol

[ss1980]

Hst is an illusion.
Calculate how many hairs would fue doctor be able to get by splittin grafts before theres visible depletion? Assuming no hair regen takes place

[Arashi]

That your first research turned out to be worthless, that I understand. You simply didn't know about failed extractions and that a lot of FU's grow back with less hair than they originally had. But that you do it again, THAT I do not understand. You're not looking at recipient and you're not taking into consideration that a lot of FU's grow back with less hair. What you've done here is useless, cause we can't draw any conclusions at all regarding regeneration. It's widely accepted among the critics nowadays that hasci splits grafts. So if they'd do that perfectly, in your case you'd come to the conclusion that 100% of the FU grew back and you'd say LOOK 100% REGROWTH (in bold and red font, lol). But if the FU's grow back only with half of the hair and recipient contains the other half, then that's exactly 0 regrowth.

The ONLY possible way to draw valid conclusions is via a 50 graft test.

[534623]

Hst is an illusion.

Seems you like illusions, because you posted practically all your 26 newbie posts in the illusion forum ...lol

[534623]

You simply didn't know about failed extractions ...

Ah, really??

Actually, YOU should tell me and calculate my personal failed extraction ratio ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=162066&postcount=229

But because I could see that you was always so busy with just tolling, he he and smilie posts everywhere, I simply did it myself. But feel free to review my calculated failed extraction ratio. If you can find more than 2200 extraction holes for the 1400 grafts from the 1st HST - please let me know.