a documented case of the 9 procedures= 13.000 grafts in HASCI would solve everything

[caddarik79]

Can you already share what you got? so that we follow step by step their weird way of dealing with our wishes for clarity!!!

They already left us in pending and mystery, don't do like them ;-)

[Arashi]

Can you already share what you got? so that we follow step by step their weird way of dealing with our wishes for clarity!!!

They already left us in pending and mystery, don't do like them ;-)

Well ok, no need to keep things away from the public, it's in everybody's best interest if we keep it open. In December I asked Kristel to do a 50 graft test and that I'd be willing to pay 1000 euro for it. Kristel replied in December that dr Gho was away on holiday and that he had to make the decision regarding the 50 graft test. She said he'd be back half january. Nothing happened half january so I mailed them again. Then she replied last week and said that before even discussing the possibility of a 50 graft test, dr Gho wanted to meet with me and she told me to make an appointment. I replied that I found that a bit weird and that IF I go to the Netherlands, it would be mainly for that test so I need to be sure they even want to perform it. I asked if there was no other way of talking to Gho, either via email, telephone or videoconferencing. Haven't received an answer yet ...

[Arashi]

It all makes me even more skeptical though. If I were HASCI and I had something that worked and people are doubting it works on pretty much every forum out there and then a guy comes who can help me prove that what I have works and actually even wants to pay for it... I'd jump for joy and would schedule an appointment tomorrow !! I think that's what anybody would do in that position, of course only IF they had something that worked ....

On the other hand, if you're in a position that you know what you have doesnt work, then you're going to try to do everything to never let that test take place .. Pretty much like we're seeing now. I mean, come on, 1.5 months have passed and still nothing and now Gho wants to talk in private with me ? I just want that damn test !

It's weird ... Anyway will keep you guys updated

[ss1980]

Im not surprised by their response, if you have been following gho for the last 2 years then this shouldnt be surprising,
They will do everything to avoid 50 graft test, It is not in his best interest to do it. If they REALLY can double hair im positive gho would pay you more than 1000 euros to do it and show to everyone. Arashi think we need to change strategy, send him someone without them knowing that person is test subject. But still I have a feeling they will find ways to mess up. He is just like nigam,just much more intelligent. Splittin FUs and selling it as HM

[caddarik79]

yes it's both weird and such a pity!!!

they waste all the trust... by just acting weird around some very simple situations.
You make sense in all your interventions, at the beginning I thought you were a bit to much of a basher, but I have to agree with you more and more often.


Nigam was a joke, you said it day 1...

HST still provides the best, but the price was OK for me at the condition of a real 80-85% regen, not below!!!

otherwise it's way too expensive for what it is and not wise to waste donor this way!!!

Am like you, did one procedure, I'm quite happy with result, but super annoyed with their communication and mysteries... would have performed another one if not so much shadow there!!!

[caddarik79]

do you have an e-mail so we can share some pre and post op pics, Arashi?

[534623]

Nigam was a joke, you said it day 1...

Don't be ridiculous! Arashi and didi even recommended me "to jump into Nigams boat".

[caddarik79]

IM you always jump for some little contradictions but disappear on the real questions...

who cares if it was not day 1, but I remember Arashi being very tough on discrediting Nigam (you too BTW) and of course it was right!!!

HASCI have weird way of dealing with controversy...

[Arashi]

IM you always jump for some little contradictions but disappear on the real questions...

Just ignore Ironman. He won't add anything useful to our knowledge, in fact, after 2 years of IM what did we learn about HASCI ? I really can't think of anything at all. He did some analysis and messed it up big time, cause he didn't even know about failed extractions and split follicles, so the number he calculated was totally absurd and wrong, he just saw follicles reproducing hair that never even were removed or touched. The only thing that happend was that hair was cut off. He should go to the barber shop, he can get the same "regeneration" that way there, only much cheaper And then it stopped there, nothing but insults and negativity from that guy. Just ignore him, all he does is trolling.

We'll know soon what's the deal with HASCI. If they don't want to do the 50 graft test, that's definitive proof in my eyes that they've been lying to us. The only reason that they wouldn't want to do such a test, even after offering 1000 euro, is that they're scared that we won't like the result.

And if they DO want to do it (which would really surprise me), that's even better cause then we're going to get a hard number.

Either way, we'll soon know the truth.

[534623]

Just ignore Ironman. He won't add anything useful to our knowledge, in fact, after 2 years of IM what did we learn about HASCI ?

Actually not much. But at least I could convince "a" guy on a dutch hairloss forum ...

http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showpost.php?p=313112&postcount=108

... who has been extremely impressed about my work and who finally bought a nice HST procedure.

[gc83uk]

Either way, we'll soon know the truth.

I wouldn't count on it.

Hasci are clearly nervous that the test will cause more harm than good. I would expect from their point of view it's a lose-lose situation.

We all know they can't achieve 85% regrowth from the extracted (real) hairs (not FU's), they know that we know and they also know that we know the avg hairs per FU is only 1.35!

However I'm very confident that there is net increase of hairs on the head per each HST, but not close to the originally claimed 85%. It's easier for Hasci to carry on as they are without all this hassle. I think the net increase of hair is around 20%.

I also believe it's very difficult to extract a previously extract graft which does not fall into the failed extraction category.

Having said all that, (money aside, HST pisses on everything else).

Caddarik, sorry not to reply to you a couple of days ago, i'm doing good, really happy with everything that has happened so far, I don't know when I'll go for my next HST, I have a lot on my plate at the moment!

[Arashi]

However I'm very confident that there is net increase of hairs on the head per each HST, but not close to the originally claimed 85%. It's easier for Hasci to carry on as they are without all this hassle. I think the net increase of hair is around 20%.

This could very well be true. And Indeed, that's something HASCI wouldnt want us to know, since they always talked about 80-85% and in fact even guaranteed it to several clients. So they'd have a big problem if people would start a joint class action suit against them to get their money back.

But anyway, what I meant with that we'll soon know the truth: if HASCI doesn't agree to the 50 graft test, or are going to try to delay and delay it, then we'll know that it's because they don't want it to happen, which in my opinion is as good as proof that at least their results are nowhere as good as they've always claimed. But if your point is that then we still wouldnt know if it's 0%, 20% or 40%, then yes, you're totally right of course.

[534623]

This could very well be true. And Indeed, that's something HASCI wouldnt want us to know, since they always talked about 80-85% and in fact even guaranteed it to several clients. So they'd have a big problem if people would start a joint class action suit against them to get their money back.

And your proof for the judges will be - what exactly?

Simply your "could be very well be true"??

[ss1980]

Hasci email from 2011

'Re-growth in the donor area is at least 80% and produce new hairs within one month. The re-growth in the recipient area is 95 to 100%. We will guarantee that! The re-growth in the donor area will be immediate and after three months of the same quality. The same area can be used again after 9 months.'


Its template they used to send to everyone but I am not sure what they send these days. Big statement.
They simply cant go ahead with 50 graft test unless hasci wants to go bnkrupt. Even if there is some regeneration of 20% Ex patients would start demanding money back as it is far cry from claimed numbers.

[534623]

Hasci email from 2011

'Re-growth in the donor area is at least 80% and produce new hairs within one month. The re-growth in the recipient area is 95 to 100%. We will guarantee that! The re-growth in the donor area will be immediate and after three months of the same quality. The same area can be used again after 9 months.'


Its template they used to send to everyone but I am not sure what they send these days. Big statement.

I don't know what they "send" these days, but what I know is that this statement ...

"We also guarantee that the hairs in the donor area will largely grow back."

http://www.hasci.com/en/hair-stem-cell-transplantation/donor-area/

... is on their website since the new website exists. And? I couldn't observe something different neither from my own HSTs, nor any other patient who provided analyzable photos. From all others I could observe just lots of blah blah blah blah...