Nigams doubling test FAILED + proof.

[HairBane]

What I don't get is why the scenario is viewed as purely black or white. Why is Dr. Nigam either a complete fraud or the guy who surgically cured hairloss?

Dr. Nigam seems sketch...he clearly uses false and unethical marketing/advertising tactics, he seems to exaggerate results significantly, he makes bold and unsupported statements (that contradict each other), he promises things he doesn't deliver on etc. He seems very profit-driven and, plain and simply, plays by rules that aren't acceptable by western standards.

That said, I don't think he's some Joe who mixed up a batch of snake oil in his basement and is trying to sell it to the world, claiming miraculous results. He seems to understand the science...at least well enough to present his theories and techniques, in person, and in a logical and convincing way, to a well-respected European surgeon. And he seems to be skillful enough to achieve a relatively scar-less procedure (I don't think that's subject to controversy?), which is a feat in itself.

The way I see it...whether Dr. Nigam is morally sketch, and whether he has the skills/abilities to develop an innovative technique are two different questions.

Well said. Nigams is definitely weird and eccentric and perhaps has loose morals when it comes to marketing and promotion (that corruption is also part of Indian culture though, so I hear). But him being involved in fraudulent marketing and him developing an effective hair doubling technique are not mutually exclusive. Don't let it cloud your judgement - we don't have to like Dr. Nigam or agree with his ethics, we just need to look at the facts, the science. Right now, we have to wait for Mwamba and Nigam's NW7-2 conversion, then we can make a decision without Arashi's childish and mind-numbingly boring vendetta coming in to it.

[crafter]

Yeah but he could bend spoons

why spoons but never knifes or forks?

[locke999]

THIS.

I fully don't get it either?? If he is truly a fraud, why not keep it a secret. Why get a well respected surgeon like Dr Mwamba to prove that he's a fraud?? None of this makes any sense to me.

Well look at it this way, Nigam is taking pictures with a bunch of hair loss researchers and posting it on line like a little hair loss groupie.

What he is trying to do is surround himself with credible researcher so that he himself will look like a credible expert on hair loss. This gives his clinic credibility and more people will be going to his clinic. He doesn't have to cure anything, he just have to build a reputation as an expert. Look at how many members from only this forum has already went to his clinic without any proof and results. Indians from India will look at these pictures and think he is some credible expert and go to his clinic over the other Indian hair transplant doctors.

Wasn't boldy a respected member? He went to his clinic. You have tom, wesley, etc. People who read Nigam's post and fly to his clinics. This isn't the only forum Nigam post on, he post on ALL hair loss forums that you can find, just check, he is on everyone of them, and it each of them probably drive 4-5 guys to come to Mumbai to get a procedure done, not to count all the forum lurkers we don't know about.

He is just profiting as much as possible as fast as possible until people figure him out and he move on to the next scam he can pull. He got done with the phone diet and moved on to hair loss, he will always be able to find something else. This guy is a high level conman.

[cotto]

totally agree locke999

[jay woo]

Hair Bane, I have not seen any mention on this forum or any other forum that Mwamba is involved in a NW7- MW2 case. The case just happened to occur around the time Mwamba visited. I boubt he would comment on another doctors work either, so is unlikely to confirm success.

Trying to interpret from the vague comments from Nigam and Mwamba as to what is being shared or worked on collaboratively is difficult. I interpret what has been said as Mwamba is using Nigams laboratory for experiments and possible some of Dr Nigams methods. If Mwamba is using his own methods and techniques it would mean he is unable to confirm Dr Nigams techniques and methods.

I really struggle to see what Mwamba gains from this collaboration. Nigam gains much needed credibility, It will make him seem plausible to some. I only see issues for Mwamba even if he is successful.

[HairBane]

Hair Bane, I have not seen any mention on this forum or any other forum that Mwamba is involved in a NW7- MW2 case. The case just happened to occur around the time Mwamba visited. I boubt he would comment on another doctors work either, so is unlikely to confirm success.

Trying to interpret from the vague comments from Nigam and Mwamba as to what is being shared or worked on collaboratively is difficult. I interpret what has been said as Mwamba is using Nigams laboratory for experiments and possible some of Dr Nigams methods. If Mwamba is using his own methods and techniques it would mean he is unable to confirm Dr Nigams techniques and methods.

I really struggle to see what Mwamba gains from this collaboration. Nigam gains much needed credibility, It will make him seem plausible to some. I only see issues for Mwamba even if he is successful.

I didn't say Mwamba is involved with the NW7 - NW2 conversion. What I meant was, Mwamba is running his own tests on hair doubling, and *separately* Nigam is planning to convert a totally bald person to a NW2. 2 different test to act as a total proof of concept.

With regards to Mwamba and what he gets out of this, I'm assuming he's just open minded and wants the absolute best results possible for his patients. He doesn't care where it comes from. The reason he's doing any tests at all is because he observed several cases at Nigam's clinic and was fairly convinced that Nigam was on to something; so now he wants to get to the bottom of it, and either disprove hair doubling or bring it to his patients. Either way he's just helping the industry progress. Also - how many of us had actually heard of Mwamba prior to him getting involved with cutting edge experimental stuff?

[gc83uk]

Also - how many of us had actually heard of Mwamba prior to him getting involved with cutting edge experimental stuff?

Mwamba is probably one of the most well known hair transplant surgeons there is. It was one of the forum members that asked Mwamba to take a look and he obliged. Anyway it'll be 2015 before we here anything about that.

[Pentarou]

Its actually quite easy to bust Fr Nigam...(its not typo, i dont refer to him as Dr anymore, from now on , it suits him much much betta



I caught him lying so many times its not even funny anymore...

****ing hell, that looks like a hair transplant clinic that Dr Nick Riviera from The Simpsons would own, if he was not fictional or Latino-American. My word.

[yeahyeahyeah]

What I don't get is why the scenario is viewed as purely black or white. Why is Dr. Nigam either a complete fraud or the guy who surgically cured hairloss?

Dr. Nigam seems sketch...he clearly uses false and unethical marketing/advertising tactics, he seems to exaggerate results significantly, he makes bold and unsupported statements (that contradict each other), he promises things he doesn't deliver on etc. He seems very profit-driven and, plain and simply, plays by rules that aren't acceptable by western standards.

That said, I don't think he's some Joe who mixed up a batch of snake oil in his basement and is trying to sell it to the world, claiming miraculous results. He seems to understand the science...at least well enough to present his theories and techniques, in person, and in a logical and convincing way, to a well-respected European surgeon. And he seems to be skillful enough to achieve a relatively scar-less procedure (I don't think that's subject to controversy?), which is a feat in itself.

The way I see it...whether Dr. Nigam is morally sketch, and whether he has the skills/abilities to develop an innovative technique are two different questions.

This is why you should never do anything for just the money.

You will be shit at it.

[Arashi]

That said, I don't think he's some Joe who mixed up a batch of snake oil in his basement and is trying to sell it to the world, claiming miraculous results.

Well, his 15 graft test failed and Wesley's doubling procedure failed and he destroyed his donor. So it does seem you're wrong there ...[Possible defamatory comments removed]

[garethbale]

This is why you should never do anything for just the money.

You will be shit at it.

So that's where I've been going wrong at work then

[Barron]

Well, his 15 graft test failed and Wesley's doubling procedure failed and he destroyed his donor. So it does seem you're wrong there ...

lol...yeah...it's seeming that way...isn't it. Very unfortunate. The 15 graft test wasn't enough evidence for me, personally, to write him off in my mind; but Wesley's failed doubling procedure sheds a lot of light on the truth.

Arashi, what are your opinions on donor regeneration/doubling as a whole?

[Barron]

Well, his 15 graft test failed and Wesley's doubling procedure failed and he destroyed his donor. So it does seem you're wrong there ... It's not just that he's unethical and only after taking your money. He's a danger to society.

lol...yeah...it's seeming that way...isn't it. Very unfortunate. The 15 graft test wasn't enough evidence for me, personally, to write him off in my mind; but Wesley's failed doubling procedure sheds a lot of light on the truth.

Arashi, what are your opinions on donor regeneration/doubling as a whole? Do you think it still has some merit/value, or has this all been a wild goose chase?

[Arashi]

Arashi, what are your opinions on donor regeneration/doubling as a whole?

I really don't know man ... The theory has been there for more than 10 years, it's been proven to work on mice but no doctor has ever shown any convincing evidence that it worked on patients too. It might someday, who knows ... I'd say we'll have to wait for good results on the cell therapy front though and that this whole doubling theory might prove to be a dead-end. But who knows, my guess is as good as yours.

[Barron]

I really don't know man ... The theory has been there for more than 10 years, it's been proven to work on mice but no doctor has ever shown any convincing evidence that it worked on patients too. It might someday, who knows ... I'd say we'll have to wait for good results on the cell therapy front though and that this whole doubling theory might prove to be a dead-end. But who knows, my guess is as good as yours.

For sure. One thing Dr. Wesley said during his presentation made me think a little bit. He talked about how the tissue surrounding the follicle was important to transplant as well in order to optimize graft survival rates and ensure graft quality. Made me wonder how perfect of a transplant one an achieve through something like transplanting just stem cells...