Nigams doubling test FAILED + proof.

[Arashi]

here is a copy of Dr. Nigam's official qualification as a licensed medical doctor in India, from the Indian national physicians database:


View IMR Details
Name Nigam Vivek
Father/Husband Name
Date of Birth Year of Info 1998
Registration No. 86928 Date of Reg. 23/06/1998
State Medical Council Maharashtra Medical Council
Qualification MBBS Qualification Year 1983
University Name U.Barkatullah
Permanent Address D-1/38, Vishwabharati Society, Khada, Sardar Vallabh Patel Nagar, Andheri (West), Mumbai - 53.

Furthermore, here is the link to the database page which links the above, showing that Dr. Vivek Nigam is licensed with the State of Maharashtra's Medical Council:

http://mciindia.org/InformationDesk/IndianMedicalRegister.aspx

Here's a link to the university where Dr. Nigam studied:

http://www.bubhopal.nic.in/

Look up what it says on Wiki:

Medical colleges in India, accredited by the Medical Council of India, all title the degrees as MBBS. The students complete a course of four and a half years followed by one year of a compulsory rotatory internship before applying for the degree. The course is divided into four parts with only the second part lasting one and a half years. Students take an examination at the end of each part. The first part comprises pre-clinical subjects anatomy, physiology and biochemistry. The second part includes para-clinical subjects pharmacology, microbiology, pathology and forensic medicine. The third part comprises clinical subjects is divided into part I and part II comprising preventive and social medicine, ophthalmology, otorhinolaryngology and general medicine, general surgery & orthopedics, pediatrics and obstetrics and gynecology respectively. The 12 month internship is compulsory to attain both the degrees and registration with the Medical Council of India.
Following MBBS they can apply for post graduate (specialty) coarses which will be for 2 to 3 years they will receive a degree as MD, MS, DNB depending on the subjects. Following this they can also further do super specialty courses in cardiology, neurology, oncology, nephrology, gastroenterology, endocrinology, immunology, etc. for 3 more years, they will be awarded the degree as DM (medical), MCh (surgical), DNB (medical/surgical).

He only has his bachelor and therefore is not a real doctor. And that's exactly what Dr Anjali (who unlike NIgam IS a doctor) accused him of.

Let me ask you this. Would you let a guy who only has his bachelor operate on your heart ? Of course you wouldn't. Now you could argue "but this is only hair surgery". Sure, but at least in the Western World they don't make that difference. You're only allowed to perform ANY kind of surgery if you have a Master degree. Not just bachelor.

Mr Nigam only has a bachelor certificate and therefore is not a real medical doctor. What a world would it be if everyone who had a bachelor could call himself doctor.

[didi]

Proves that mr nigam is under qualified to be called Dr.


Mr Nigam go back to school

[jay woo]

Straight from the same wiki page "Professionals holding MBBS, BDS, BAMS BNYS, BUMS, BSMS, BHMS Degrees are referred to by the title of "Doctor" and use the prefix "Dr"". If the allegation is that he is not a specialist that is something Dr Nigam will need to prove. I believe he meets the criteria to be classed as a doctor in India. The qualification required and accreditation of doctors is different in each country . The other allegations are that he completed a Bachelor of Ayurveda, Medicine and Surgery, the MCI list MBBS not BAMS for Dr Nigam. Not all people working in the field of hair loss are dermatologists.

I am not in support of Dr Nigam and hair loss treatments, but I do not feel he should be criticised for something that is untrue. Dr Nigam has so many other short comings to attack and highlight it would be better to focus on those.

This is good if makes people ask questions before going overseas for medical treatment. A simple question like what are the qualifications of the person providing the treatment. It was the lack of controls in India that was praised as a blessing in that they enabling Dr Nigam to perform his research . Now those same controls are receiving criticism for allowing Dr Nigam to perform these procedures.

It would not surprise me if hair transplants can be performed by any doctor in India. They may be classed as simple procedures, No GA, can be performed in a clinic, not very invasive and low risk of serious complications.

[Arashi]

Straight from the same wiki page "Professionals holding MBBS, BDS, BAMS BNYS, BUMS, BSMS, BHMS Degrees are referred to by the title of "Doctor" and use the prefix "Dr"". If the allegation is that he is not a specialist that is something Dr Nigam will need to prove. I believe he meets the criteria to be classed as a doctor in India. The qualification required and accreditation of doctors is different in each country . The other allegations are that he completed a Bachelor of Ayurveda, Medicine and Surgery, the MCI list MBBS not BAMS for Dr Nigam. Not all people working in the field of hair loss are dermatologists.

I am not in support of Dr Nigam and hair loss treatments, but I do not feel he should be criticised for something that is untrue. Dr Nigam has so many other short comings to attack and highlight it would be better to focus on those.

This is good if makes people ask questions before going overseas for medical treatment. A simple question like what are the qualifications of the person providing the treatment. It was the lack of controls in India that was praised as a blessing in that they enabling Dr Nigam to perform his research . Now those same controls are receiving criticism for allowing Dr Nigam to perform these procedures.

It would not surprise me if hair transplants can be performed by any doctor in India. They may be classed as simple procedures, No GA, can be performed in a clinic, not very invasive and low risk of serious complications.

He has only a bachelor degree. He promised me to send documentation first thing in the morning. It's the end of the day already in Mumba (7:03 PM right now) and he hasn't sent me anyhing. It's always 'tomorrow' with him. But of course he won't send me anything, because he does not HAVE anything. He is not a medical Doctor, he only has a bachelor's degree (which we confirmed in that database) and therefore is not allowed to perform any kind of surgery, exactly like dr Anjali suggested. I think patients have a right to know that, wouldnt you agree ?

[crafter]

He has only a bachelor degree. He promised me to send documentation first thing in the morning. It's the end of the day already in Mumba (7:03 PM right now) and he hasn't sent me anyhing. It's always 'tomorrow' with him. But of course he won't send me anything, because he does not HAVE anything. He is not a medical Doctor, he only has a bachelor's degree (which we confirmed in that database) and therefore is not allowed to perform any kind of surgery, exactly like dr Anjali suggested. I think patients have a right to know that, wouldnt you agree ?

if he is being dishonest then why is he so open about his research and sharing it with other doctors like Dr Mwamba? doesn't make sense.

[Vox]

if he is being dishonest then why is he so open about his research and sharing it with other doctors like Dr Mwamba? doesn't make sense.

Are you sure he is really conducting original research in this sector? If yes, where are his peer-reviewed publications? Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't remember having seen any.

[Arashi]

if he is being dishonest then why is he so open about his research and sharing it with other doctors like Dr Mwamba? doesn't make sense.

He's not doing any research at all. He just goes to conferences and tries to get info from the people who actually do research, like Jahoda, Lauster, Cotsaleris and the people from Tsuji labs.

[crafter]

He's not doing any research at all. He just goes to conferences and tries to get info from the people who actually do research, like Jahoda, Lauster, Cotsaleris and the people from Tsuji labs.

but he's sharing his techniques with Dr Mwamba - Mwamba has said he is going back to see Nigam soon to finalise the details.

If Nigam is a fraud then why share the technique? espec if Mwamba find Nigam to be telling porkies. Why the risk?

[hellouser]

He's not doing any research at all. He just goes to conferences and tries to get info from the people who actually do research, like Jahoda, Lauster, Cotsaleris and the people from Tsuji labs.

In one of the photographs of his clinic, there's a framed photo at a computer desk with him and Dr. Lauster.

Does anyone have a link to the source where Dr. Lauster denied the claims of himself collaborating with Dr. Nigam?

[Arashi]

In one of the photographs of his clinic, there's a framed photo at a computer desk with him and Dr. Lauster.

Does anyone have a link to the source where Dr. Lauster denied the claims of himself collaborating with Dr. Nigam?

He has photo's with pretty much all of the attendant's to the 2 conferences he went to That doesn't mean he even knows them, let alone work together. Lauster was contacted when Nigam made the claim that they were working together and the people at his office didn't even know who Nigam was.

[cp9]

but he's sharing his techniques with Dr Mwamba - Mwamba has said he is going back to see Nigam soon to finalise the details.

If Nigam is a fraud then why share the technique? espec if Mwamba find Nigam to be telling porkies. Why the risk?

THIS.

I fully don't get it either?? If he is truly a fraud, why not keep it a secret. Why get a well respected surgeon like Dr Mwamba to prove that he's a fraud?? None of this makes any sense to me.

[bigentries]

THIS.

I fully don't get it either?? If he is truly a fraud, why not keep it a secret. Why get a well respected surgeon like Dr Mwamba to prove that he's a fraud?? None of this makes any sense to me.

Uri Geller used to claim he had psychokinetic powers and didn't seem to have any problems exposing his lies in front of people that were obviously going to end up exhibiting him as a liar

[cp9]

Uri Geller used to claim he had psychokinetic powers and didn't seem to have any problems exposing his lies in front of people that were obviously going to end up exhibiting him as a liar

Yea, ok. But he didn't use it as an incentive for people to pay him to get a procedure done right? If Mwamba proves that it doesnt work, then the whole world would know about it. Which could potentially destroy his entire career as a hair transplant Dr. But he leaning towards transparency in his technique, unlike Gho. I'm not trying to back Nigam up here, but wouldn't any logical person only do that if they fully believed their methods were legitimate? Please tell me if I'm missing something here.

[garethbale]

Uri Geller used to claim he had psychokinetic powers and didn't seem to have any problems exposing his lies in front of people that were obviously going to end up exhibiting him as a liar

Yeah but he could bend spoons

[Barron]

What I don't get is why the scenario is viewed as purely black or white. Why is Dr. Nigam either a complete fraud or the guy who surgically cured hairloss?

Dr. Nigam seems sketch...he clearly uses false and unethical marketing/advertising tactics, he seems to exaggerate results significantly, he makes bold and unsupported statements (that contradict each other), he promises things he doesn't deliver on etc. He seems very profit-driven and, plain and simply, plays by rules that aren't acceptable by western standards.

That said, I don't think he's some Joe who mixed up a batch of snake oil in his basement and is trying to sell it to the world, claiming miraculous results. He seems to understand the science...at least well enough to present his theories and techniques, in person, and in a logical and convincing way, to a well-respected European surgeon. And he seems to be skillful enough to achieve a relatively scar-less procedure (I don't think that's subject to controversy?), which is a feat in itself.

The way I see it...whether Dr. Nigam is morally sketch, and whether he has the skills/abilities to develop an innovative technique are two different questions.