The IronMan Procedure – 9-Month Update

[Arashi]

... that this is the Arashi-Procedure Thread!

Wow, no insults ! In return, let's keep this thread about your procedure like you want. You see IM, we can be nice, it's not that hard

[534623]

12-Month-Update-With LONG HAIRS...

Yup, it seems...

...I'm almost there again! ...lol...

Anyway, that's my last photo with long hair. I didn't cut them since the procedure 1 year ago. According to the hair lengh, it seems that practically all implanted hairs grew since day 1.

[534623]

12-month - recipient shaved

Here a few recipient photos (head/recipient area shaved):

http://s14.directupload.net/images/131215/aypl7ydt.jpg

http://s7.directupload.net/images/131215/lbptaotx.jpg

[gc83uk]

Yup, it seems...

...I'm almost there again! ...lol...

Anyway, that's my last photo with long hair. I didn't cut them since the procedure 1 year ago. According to the hair lengh, it seems that practically all implanted hairs grew since day 1.

Loving the hair style Can you post the before HST1 photo?

You'll be looking well on your way to some decent coverage with your next HST, no doubt about that.

I'm guessing you're booked in for your second HST this/next week? How many HST's can you see yourself having?

Best of luck

[534623]

How many HST's can you see yourself having?

1600. But finally I got 1616 today.

Extraction time: 4 hours
Implantation time: 4 hours (including ~80 grafts via stick&place into scar)

So all in all I have 3000 HST's now. With normal FUE - I would be done already.

[Arashi]

1600. But finally I got 1616 today.

Extraction time: 4 hours
Implantation time: 4 hours (including ~80 grafts via stick&place into scar)

So all in all I have 3000 HST's now. With normal FUE - I would be done already.

3000 FUE grafts are 2000 HST grafts. An average person can transplant about 3500 FUE grafts before they get an unnatural looking donor, which is 2.0/1.4 * 3500 = 5000 HST graft. They seem to do mostly 1600 grafts per session, so that means an average person can go 5000/1600 = 3.1x before donor is empty. Hey ... is that a coincidence that HASCI advises a max of 3 HST's on average ?

[hellouser]

3000 FUE grafts are 2000 HST grafts. An average person can transplant about 3500 FUE grafts before they get an unnatural looking donor, which is 2.0/1.4 * 3500 = 5000 HST graft. They seem to do mostly 1600 grafts per session, so that means an average person can go 5000/1600 = 3.1x before donor is empty. Hey ... is that a coincidence that HASCI advises a max of 3 HST's on average ?

I've ALWAYS wondered about that.

Why is it that the number of HST's one can do is equal to the number of grafts you could do with a traditional FUE??

[534623]

I've ALWAYS wondered about that.

Why is it that the number of HST's one can do is equal to the number of grafts you could do with a traditional FUE ??

...because THE point you forgot to wonder about is... "...UNTIL YOU WILL NOTICE SOMETHING IF SHAVED DOWN TO THE BONE...!!" But that doesn't mean it's the end-game (after a certain amount of grafts). The best example for the later is the the singer Dean Saunders (~5000 HST's and still able to shave down his head to the bone).

Furthermore, since the beginning, they recommended me 4-5 procedures with around 1500 per procedure. Thereafter, I would be (should be) "cured" on one hand and it would be definitely not the complete "end-game" in my donor area on the other hand. At least in my case - and my case has even limitations due to my old and big strip scars.

[Arashi]

3000 FUE grafts are 2000 HST grafts. An average person can transplant about 3500 FUE grafts before they get an unnatural looking donor, which is 2.0/1.4 * 3500 = 5000 HST graft. They seem to do mostly 1600 grafts per session, so that means an average person can go 5000/1600 = 3.1x before donor is empty. Hey ... is that a coincidence that HASCI advises a max of 3 HST's on average ?

3000 FUE graft = 4300 FUE grafts, of course, sorry for the typo.

[Arashi]

I've ALWAYS wondered about that.

Why is it that the number of HST's one can do is equal to the number of grafts you could do with a traditional FUE??

Exactly. They advise 3 HST's standard, which is just like what an average person can have with FUE. So that would make no sense at all, if their regrowth story would be true.

[534623]

Exactly. They advise 3 HST's standard, which is just like what an average person can have with FUE. So that would make no sense at all, if their regrowth story would be true.

Please let me check out whether or not your "arguments" are true:

Since "The Ironman Procedures" threads started one year ago, you overflooded these threads with your "failed extractions" crap - what wasn't even a new story; because that was already well-known among the "more advanced users" years ago; at least, among users who were able to read scientific papers.

Anyway, according to you (or according to Gho's papers), they need UP TO 50% (or perhaps sometimes even more) more drills until the get the number of grafts (the useful grafts) you want/buy - right?

That would mean, in connection with your "new brainy calculations" (see your smart posts above) that guys like Dean Saunders or gc83uk have now around 10,000 extraction holes, white dots, gaps (or whatever you call it) in their donor area - right?

All that leads me to the following CONCLUSION - rather same old question I was asking you 1 year ago already:

What the hell do you smoke??

Oh, and by the way:
I can NOWHERE find any legit information that they "advise 3 HST's standard". Really, NOWWERE.

[hellouser]

Exactly. They advise 3 HST's standard, which is just like what an average person can have with FUE. So that would make no sense at all, if their regrowth story would be true.

That's a big red flag.

Truthfully, at this point, I've got more hope for pilofocus' regen claims with ACELL... at least Dr. Wesley provided photographic evidence, LOL!

[topcat]

Ironman..............is that really your result?

Is that what you have been going on about year after year after year. Are you serious?

[534623]

Ironman..............is that really your result?

Is that what you have been going on about year after year after year. Are you serious?

Oh, you can't imagine how serious - especially after seeing your beard hair results a few days ago in another forum...

You must be very desperate, I understand.

[Arashi]

Please let me check out whether or not your "arguments" are true:

Since "The Ironman Procedures" threads started one year ago, you overflooded these threads with your "failed extractions" crap - what wasn't even a new story; because that was already well-known among the "more advanced users" years ago; at least, among users who were able to read scientific papers.

Hehe. If that were true, then why didnt you take that into account ? You just counted in how many extraction sites hair grew back, which is totally absurd. If you would have understood by then that the major part of these sites were not real extractions at all, then why would you claim those crazy regrowth numbers you claimed (85%+) ?? Hehe. You're so full of it ...

That would mean, in connection with your "new brainy calculations" (see your smart posts above) that guys like Dean Saunders or gc83uk have now around 10,000 extraction holes, white dots, gaps (or whatever you call it) in their donor area - right?

So now you're claming hasci isn't scarless ?