It 's over. Dr. Mwamba confirmed Nigam!

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  • didi
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2011
    • 1360

    Mwamba can take 25 bottom parts and 25 top parts of graft and implant it in recipient and do the same in donor.

    In that case no need to monitor donor.

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    • Arashi
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3888

      Originally posted by didi
      Mwamba can take 25 bottom parts and 25 top parts of graft and implant it in recipient and do the same in donor.

      In that case no need to monitor donor.
      Exactly my point Didi. Put both halves just below the hairline and no need to shave (except once for the part where the extractions take place of course), nor to watch donor.

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      • gc83uk
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 1339

        Originally posted by Arashi
        I don't think Mwamba should do it. He's still experimenting. Besides he can't do the de-novo in Belgium, it can only be done in India.
        I've just listened to the interview. Have to say it's really encouraging!

        But I thought he said De-novo could be done in Europe/USA because you're using your own cells, no?

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        • Arashi
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 3888

          Originally posted by gc83uk
          I've just listened to the interview. Have to say it's really encouraging!

          But I thought he said De-novo could be done in Europe/USA because you're using your own cells, no?
          Well Nigams always said people would have to go to India for it. He even said so just this week.

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          • gc83uk
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 1339

            Originally posted by Arashi
            Well Nigams always said people would have to go to India for it. He even said so just this week.
            Yep, this is what confused me.

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            • Arashi
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 3888

              Originally posted by gc83uk
              I've just listened to the interview. Have to say it's really encouraging!
              Yeah I loved the interview. But then again, they said nothing new and it's all just speculation from Mwamba at this point. Well it's not even speculation cause he says he just doesn't know it works. But he's going to find out.

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              • JJJJrS
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2012
                • 638

                Just finished listening to the interview. Very interesting stuff. Dr. Mwamba appears to have a fair deal of belief in Dr. Nigam's work which is nice to hear. It seems that Tom and some of Dr. Nigam's other patients had no visible scarring and some growth in the recipient which is a positive sign.

                I also have to commend Dr. Nigam for his openness. Unlike HASCI who avoids communication with their colleagues, even former patients, Dr. Nigam is inviting scrutiny from experts and sharing his findings with the community. Nothing is being left in the dark and within a short time, we will know how well this will work.

                Until I see real tangible proof, I'll continue to remain cautious. But you can't help but feel excited when you hear talk of 3-hairs from 1 and doubling becoming a new gold standard in the industry. I really hope this pans out, because it would effectively be a cure for hairloss.

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                • JJJJrS
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 638

                  Originally posted by didi
                  Mwamba can take 25 bottom parts and 25 top parts of graft and implant it in recipient and do the same in donor.

                  In that case no need to monitor donor.
                  I'd be willing to chip in for that test. You only have to monitor one side really (unless he's doing the de-novo procedure...). Extract 25-50 grafts, take photos of the bisected grafts, and implant them into a slick bald area.

                  If everybody agrees to this, particularly Dr. Nigam, I'll write a detailed set of instructions for the procedure, as I did for the HASCI 50 grafts tests. I'll also analyse the photos, provided they are of sufficient quality.

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                  • didi
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1360

                    We have 2 choices :
                    Test can be done either at Nigams in Mumbai or by Mwambas in Belgium. Even 30 grafts would be more than enough to prove it.

                    I don't think they would charge for test, it would be free, (after all its for their own benefit too) but where to find suitable guy who is willing to do it?

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                    • JJJJrS
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 638

                      Originally posted by didi
                      We have 2 choices :
                      Test can be done either at Nigams in Mumbai or by Mwambas in Belgium. Even 30 grafts would be more than enough to prove it.

                      I don't think they would charge for test, it would be free, (after all its for their own benefit too) but where to find suitable guy who is willing to do it?
                      I'm fine with either Nigam or Mwamba doing it.

                      If I were to test any procedure though, it would be the "de-novo" one. If I understand things correctly, "de-novo" is the same as the "in-vitro" procedure with both bisected follicles going into the recipient, and the addition of ECM/growth factor/cell injections to restore the donor. It's the most exciting and complete procedure, so we may as well test that one.

                      In terms of the test patient, he should have a totally slick bald area to monitor the recipient growth. The Thane guy Dr. Nigam posted on HS would be perfect but I'd rather save him for the NW7-NW2 conversion test. In this case, a forum poster who we can trust would be ideal.

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                      • hellouser
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 4419

                        Originally posted by JJJJrS
                        I'm fine with either Nigam or Mwamba doing it.

                        If I were to test any procedure though, it would be the "de-novo" one. If I understand things correctly, "de-novo" is the same as the "in-vitro" procedure with both bisected follicles going into the recipient, and the addition of ECM/growth factor/cell injections to restore the donor. It's the most exciting and complete procedure, so we may as well test that one.

                        In terms of the test patient, he should have a totally slick bald area to monitor the recipient growth. The Thane guy Dr. Nigam posted on HS would be perfect but I'd rather save him for the NW7-NW2 conversion test. In this case, a forum poster who we can trust would be ideal.
                        For a 30-50 graft test, would we really need to have someone shave down all the time?

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                        • deuce
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2013
                          • 209

                          I guess this is a big deal. You still need surgeries though. I will be excitited when they can grow or multiply hair on top of the scalp. Congrats to thos who are excited for this though.

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                          • JJJJrS
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 638

                            Originally posted by hellouser
                            For a 30-50 graft test, would we really need to have someone shave down all the time?
                            You'd only really need to shave the very small areas that are being monitored. The whole point is to count the hair follicles and in particular, the number of hairs in each follicular unit. That may be impossible if the hairs are too long.

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                            • hellouser
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2012
                              • 4419

                              Originally posted by JJJJrS
                              You'd only really need to shave the very small areas that are being monitored. The whole point is to count the hair follicles and in particular, the number of hairs in each follicular unit. That may be impossible if the hairs are too long.
                              Suppose I went in for 50 grafts, would it not be possible to continually shave down a strip of skin underneath existing hair that would basically cover up the donor area?

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                              • JJJJrS
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 638

                                Originally posted by hellouser
                                Suppose I went in for 50 grafts, would it not be possible to continually shave down a strip of skin underneath existing hair that would basically cover up the donor area?
                                I wouldn't see a problem with that.

                                I think something like a 25 graft procedure would be a sufficient enough test, and you'd probably have no problems covering that up.

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