It 's over. Dr. Mwamba confirmed Nigam!

[FearTheLoss]

does anyone know when exactly Spencer is interviewing Dr. Mwamba?

[NeedHairASAP]

Dr. Nigam,

a illustrated flowchart or motion graphics video could be helpful in explaining your different techniques.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

Dr Nigam the hope you give us is priceless....

[drnigams]

Didi,
Let me try to explain different doubling techniques from patients perspective.

In-Vitro doubling - Extraction from donor is like FUE.

The lower part of the follicle is with the root, so not much problem for regeneration as the root is intact and implanted like an FUE.

The other bisected part also carries with it dermal cup sheath, matrix and hair germ cells with it, hence have a higher chance of regenerating as the dermal cup sheath cells are the pro-genitor to form dermal papilla. (proven by many independent studies).

As hair transplant industry is newer in India compared to West, 90% patients are only exposed to the word Hair Transplant. FUE is thought to be new and advanced procedure here.

The concept of donor saving or donor regen, is not even known to mostof the doctors here or in many places across the globe,
how can we accept the normal non medical patients to understand, what is donor doubling or hair multiplication.

Not many patients, across the globe are as passionate and analytical like you,gc,arashi,jjjr,hellouser,boldy,roger,freddie,c addarick etc.

I consider you all as much more knowledgeable than many doctors..you cannot accept , non forum patients to understand the technical jargon..

Many patents think invivo is safer,as the lower part of the follicle is still attached to the dermis with it's blood supply intact..
hence some may think, no harm with trying new technique...because they enroll with their gut feeling...

Others think,
by extracting out, most of the graft like fue..as in de-novo.. is also safe...since like fue ,recipient will grow back(as we take most of the intact graft in de novo doubling like fue...
(in denovo doubling we regenerate donor with multiplied stemcells,growth factors and 2d/3d dp culture cells,as the donor is non aga scalp..and have good density even around extracted grafts).

Few patients cannot take megasessions..which requires long hours at the clinic .. for few days..when they get tired,and have to be, away from work for a week, due to redness,confidentiality, specially from their girl friends, etc.

When you will sit with me ,one day at my clinic,while i consult.. you will realize,a lot of patients are afraid of any invasive procedure(including fue),they do not like density of traditional transplants...they would prefer to take HM injections..and give a chance if they respond..

Regards Dr.Bhatti, after you mentioned that you have mailed him about me, I called him up, I am going to Delhi on 21st and 22nd September where I'll have a meeting with joint director, minister of health and FDA for setting up of world's first minimal regulation, pilot project in India for research on various diseases which has a potential to be cured by Stem Cells after I was invited for the same by our FDA commissioner to prepare a presentation for this pilot project when India's leading research companies of stem cells for various diseases was invited by our FDA commissioner last month (Tom and Boldy are aware of this pilot project and my meetings with FDA commissioner). I was invited to represent hair regenerative research company from the hair regenerative category. FDA commissioner and ministry of health were more interested in finding solutions for non-cosmetic diseases, giving grants for the same, land and infrastructure for the same, utilising existing government, universities, faculty, laboratories of biotech but I am convincing them since hair follicle is easily accessible in non-invasive way, hair follicle biotech research should be equally promoted and also because 65
% of India's population is below 35, mpb when affects youth is itself a psychological syndrome which affects productivity. During my 21st and 22nd September visit to Delhi, Dr.Bhatti is also visiting Delhi, we have spoken on phone, we might meet if we get time.
Frankly speaking, I am not planning to share my technique in India with anyone but only outside India. Few doctors are already ganging against me in India to stop me from moving ahead in developing newer techniques which are already game-changer in India. The two top FUT doctors in India, 2 years back are hardly doing 4-5 cases a month now, one of them is a friend of Dr.Bhatti in Mumbai.
My plan is to have a successful Mwamba-Nigam Doubling and HM clinic at Mumbai and Brussels, after that I am fully confident, leading and optimistic surgeons from major cities across the globe will come to us for joint ventures clinic of doubling and HM.
In next 2 months, I will appoint Dr.Gerd, Dr.Rajesh(from Cotsarelis team), one from Tsuji Lab Team and one from Jahoda Uk University and one from Yale University as our scientific biotech advisor. Hopefully, Europe and US will have doubling clinic by 2014 in joint venture with the local top-notch surgeons. Due to regulatory issues, Mumbai will remain for some years the destination to get HM and DP injections to support doubling after 6 weeks of doubling.
I will post Mumbai Biotech Pilot Project which will be submitted by me and FDA commissioner to the health minister of India tomorrow. I will post the email of health minister of India and the other dignitaries who will play the major role to clear this pilot project so that the top biotech companies of the world researching on stem cells can come and set-up their labs in India for research on various diseases the mankind is suffering from. I will need support from you all by mailing these decision makers in India by telling them and highlighting them, how this can speed up the cure for various diseases across the globe. This is my dream project as a proffessional doctor.

Regards,
Dr.Nigam

Invitro doubling can give you near 100% donor regen like fue(with a variable of 5% to10%)
Why near 100% percent,is because of manual error,regen may vary max. by 10%.
Invivo can give70% regen at recipient and near 100% at the donor.

DE-NOVO DOUBLING CAN GIVE 100% REGEN AT RECIPIENT(LIKE FUE) AND APPROX.60% AT THE DONOR.



Dr Nigam,


It seems like invitro version of doubling is the best option since it gives patient near 100% donor regeneration and 90%+ recipient growth. Am I right?
Why would anyone go for invivo or denovo when they have lower regeneration rate?
That's sounds too good to be true, I mean it is a cure for HL.

Is Dr Bhatti going to offer doubling?

[locke999]

Can someone explain what regeneration and doubling mean?

Is it cutting a hair follicle in half and both halfs grow to full size again so that you add a net amount of hair to your head.

Or is it just a hair follicle cut it half and you place one half at the recipient and keep one half at the donor. Which means that there double the amount of hair follicle but the net amount of hair will still be the same. If this is what it means then this procedure isn't really doing anything.

[didi]

Invitro doubling can give you near 100% donor regen like fue(with a variable of 5% to10%)
Why near 100% percent,is because of manual error,regen may vary max. by 10%.
Invivo can give70% regen at recipient and near 100% at the donor.

DE-NOVO DOUBLING CAN GIVE 100% REGEN AT RECIPIENT(LIKE FUE) AND APPROX.60% AT THE DONOR.



Dr Nigam,


It seems like invitro version of doubling is the best option since it gives patient near 100% donor regeneration and 90%+ recipient growth. Am I right?
Why would anyone go for invivo or denovo when they have lower regeneration rate?
That's sounds too good to be true, I mean it is a cure for HL.

Is Dr Bhatti going to offer doubling?

[caddarik79]

Cadderick,
There seems to be some communication gap..

Invitro doubling can give you near 100% donor regen like fue(with a variable of 5% to10%)
Why near 100% percent,is because of manual error,regen may vary max. by 10%.
Invivo can give70% regen at recipient and near 100% at the donor.

DE-NOVO DOUBLING CAN GIVE 100% REGEN AT RECIPIENT(LIKE FUE) AND APPROX.60% AT THE DONOR.

REGENERAION MAY DIFFER BY 10% PATIENT TO PATIENT,DOCTOR TO DOCTOR OR TECHNICIAN TO TECHNICIAN WHO PERFORMS THE PROCEDURE.

I READ ..WHEN MWAMBA SPOKE ABOUT 60% REGEN,HE WAS TALKING ABOUT REGEN AT DONOR BY DE-NOVO METHOD.

I know few of you will ask ,what is denovo doubling..

When i say atleast (within few months )you will have scarless fue at europe..that does not mean..i said that you won't have doubling in europe...it will happen..but will take time for mwamba to start offering..unless he completes his studies under ethical committee and institutional committee watch..to claim regeneration..at his clinic.

I am on your side,and totally with hellouser..when he says nothing short of.. good doubling REGEN or hair multiplication ..will be acceptable..!

I am not here to to just give hope..but like you all...want this to happen..and take my words this will happen...

I will be posting few more photos of nw5/6/7..for the members to finalize..as arashi has raised doubt on the patient i selected..so wold avoid that patient as the test case,,as suggested by gc.




D

Thank you Doctor Nigam,


The day this will be official, you can count me as a future patient.
I live in Belgium, so I could even promote Mwamba around and make good positive noise about this cutting edge treatment.

I had one HST already, I'm not a Gho basher, I have no opinion anymore about his regen cause it's sooo controversial.
I'll do like Arashi and put myself on hold until either Gho demonstrates 85% and answer for good to bashers and show a NW6 NW1 transformation, but I mean, a real one.

If GC case shows very good donor after his fifth HST, I might jump for a second but I really hope meanwhile, you and Mwamba will bring something even better.

it's time for hair loss sufferers abusers to close their fraud business...

It's time that people wake up, stop giving money for pills or topicals, it's time for either Hair doubling offering very high regen and a cure step by step or H multiplication, to be the new golden treatment that will make its creator Billionnaire!!!!

even if I trust you are passionnated and don't do that for money!!!

Prices should stay reasonnable.... (I did not say cheap... but reasonnable)


So really Dr Nigam or Mwamba, take my words:

HST today is the best option, if you have better, more documented, higher regen and less controversial... people will chose you;

If Gho wakes up and starts to consider the wish that people have to see a real transformation (cause saying that the 13.000 grafts patient does not want to show, is very easy and made it awkward)... he will be another strong lever for us.

If we have three or four different masters of regen, it's fine, each of us will chose the one he feels!!!!
But please, let's throw normal FUE in the toilet!!!

it's also true that it's been one year of claims already, I know you need time, but there will really come a moment where we will need concrete things so that we can decide to be treated by you or Mwamba.... it's really intersting to follow though!

[drnigams]

Cadderick,
There seems to be some communication gap..

Invitro doubling can give you near 100% donor regen like fue(with a variable of 5% to10%)
Why near 100% percent,is because of manual error,regen may vary max. by 10%.
Invivo can give70% regen at recipient and near 100% at the donor.

DE-NOVO DOUBLING CAN GIVE 100% REGEN AT RECIPIENT(LIKE FUE) AND APPROX.60% AT THE DONOR.

REGENERAION MAY DIFFER BY 10% PATIENT TO PATIENT,DOCTOR TO DOCTOR OR TECHNICIAN TO TECHNICIAN WHO PERFORMS THE PROCEDURE.

I READ ..WHEN MWAMBA SPOKE ABOUT 60% REGEN,HE WAS TALKING ABOUT REGEN AT DONOR BY DE-NOVO METHOD.

I know few of you will ask ,what is denovo doubling..

When i say atleast (within few months )you will have scarless fue at europe..that does not mean..i said that you won't have doubling in europe...it will happen..but will take time for mwamba to start offering..unless he completes his studies under ethical committee and institutional committee watch..to claim regeneration..at his clinic.

I am on your side,and totally with hellouser..when he says nothing short of.. good doubling REGEN or hair multiplication ..will be acceptable..!

I am not here to to just give hope..but like you all...want this to happen..and take my words this will happen...

I will be posting few more photos of nw5/6/7..for the members to finalize..as arashi has raised doubt on the patient i selected..so wold avoid that patient as the test case,,as suggested by gc.




D

Dear Dr Nigam,


I think, scareless FUE is not what we need or are looking for.
We need proper hair doubling and you said that you can do 100% regen hair doubling.


Tese promises turn into something much lower?

Dr Mwamba is a very talented FUE doc, all we need is him being able to guarantee high generation level.

Dr Gho is bashed but advertises 85% regen (even if really controversed)... what we need is at least, someone who can provide these 85% regen for real or even better!!!

I repeat, you said many times with loads of confidence that you beat Gho and can promise 100% regen... why does it always have to change?

[caddarik79]

FearTheLoss,
This is the proposed plan..

1)Mwamba&Nigam Doubling clinic..at brussels.

2)Dr Mwamba,will be doing few patch tests..on 3 different types of doubling at brussels or mumbai,document it,get approval from institutional and ethics commitee to do the same...

The first part of doubling can be done at brussels,
but for the multiplied stem cells,2d/3d dp culture and growth factor injections..patient will have to fly to mumbai ,due to the regulatory issues in europe.

Gerd,earlier this year,explained me and gave me the links...what is possible and what is not in europe as a medical procedure at a doctors clinic..with same day extraction and activation of cells,

will also contact and give all the details to european and american regulatory authoritiues..and seek their guidelines..

3)Dr Mwamba is coming back to mumbai in november.

4)Dr mwamba is following two cases,

He already saw,bisected grafts of tom growing at the donor(Tom has confirmed these are bisected grafts( infront of his own eyes and not split grafts),

Tom was already shaved at his donor at brussels before coming to mumbai..and his pics were taken at brussels.

Tom will visit mwamba once a month or followup analysis.

We also did a patch test with invitro doubling on dr mwambas staff ,who was slick bald..his pics are also taken by him..

I also showed dr mwamba..15 grafts test case..(with thorough explanation,as he was already following up this case,he met the person ,also saw the regrowth with HM on his frontal scalp..plus regrowth at donor and recipient),
he could clearly see that even after using a wider punch.. there were no white dots..or motten appearance after fue extraction..same holds true for tom's donor(3months ).

Atleast shortly, you will have first time, outside mumbai..scarless fue at mwambas clinic at brussels..may be by december..

but doubling will probably start after the test cases are completed and results analysed..i do not know ,how much time it will take..

Remember ,the above is what we have agreed in principal..how things will work out in the future..only time will tell...

Dr mwamba may also, probably , open a new clinic at atlanta,usa..in 2014 .

Dear Dr Nigam,


I think, scareless FUE is not what we need or are looking for.
We need proper hair doubling and you said that you can do 100% regen hair doubling.

Why would these promises turn into something much lower?

Dr Mwamba is a very talented FUE doc, all we need is him being able to guarantee high generation level.

Dr Gho is bashed but advertises 85% regen (even if really controversed)... what we need is at least, someone who can provide these 85% regen for real or even better!!!

I repeat, you said many times with loads of confidence that you beat Gho and can promise 100% regen... why does it always have to change?

[drnigams]

FearTheLoss,
This is the proposed plan..

1)Mwamba&Nigam Doubling clinic..at brussels.

2)Dr Mwamba,will be doing few patch tests..on 3 different types of doubling at brussels or mumbai,document it,get approval from institutional and ethics commitee to do the same...

The first part of doubling can be done at brussels,
but for the multiplied stem cells,2d/3d dp culture and growth factor injections..patient will have to fly to mumbai ,due to the regulatory issues in europe.

Gerd,earlier this year,explained me and gave me the links...what is possible and what is not in europe as a medical procedure at a doctors clinic..with same day extraction and activation of cells,

will also contact and give all the details to european and american regulatory authoritiues..and seek their guidelines..

3)Dr Mwamba is coming back to mumbai in november.

4)Dr mwamba is following two cases,

He already saw,bisected grafts of tom growing at the donor(Tom has confirmed these are bisected grafts( infront of his own eyes and not split grafts),

Tom was already shaved at his donor at brussels before coming to mumbai..and his pics were taken at brussels.

Tom will visit mwamba once a month or followup analysis.

We also did a patch test with invitro doubling on dr mwambas staff ,who was slick bald..his pics are also taken by him..

I also showed dr mwamba..15 grafts test case..(with thorough explanation,as he was already following up this case,he met the person ,also saw the regrowth with HM on his frontal scalp..plus regrowth at donor and recipient),
he could clearly see that even after using a wider punch.. there were no white dots..or motten appearance after fue extraction..same holds true for tom's donor(3months ).

Atleast shortly, you will have first time, outside mumbai..scarless fue at mwambas clinic at brussels..may be by december..

but doubling will probably start after the test cases are completed and results analysed..i do not know ,how much time it will take..

Remember ,the above is what we have agreed in principal..how things will work out in the future..only time will tell...

Dr mwamba may also, probably , open a new clinic at atlanta,usa..in 2014 .

So Tom, or Dr. Nigam if you are reading this, sorry you probably didn't get to see my question a few pages back because of the childish bickering that took up numerous pages...


BUT, when are you, Tom, going to see Dr. Mwamba? Also, is Dr. Mwamba testing on his own patients? and Dr. Nigam, when do you and Dr. Mwamba plan on having all of the licensing and what not done so he can offer it in his clinic?

Thanks, FTL

[jay woo]

It looks like Dr Mwamba will be testing the methods used by Dr. Nigam to see that the results are acceptable. I am not sure what success will come from the tests. Threads on this forum indicate techniques that would not be legal in most countries are required for Dr Nigams techniques to work. If it was possible to achieve doubling without the use of stem cell or growth factors it might be a possibility to see the technique in Europe. This is all based on an assumption that the technique works.

[FearTheLoss]

So Tom, or Dr. Nigam if you are reading this, sorry you probably didn't get to see my question a few pages back because of the childish bickering that took up numerous pages...


BUT, when are you, Tom, going to see Dr. Mwamba? Also, is Dr. Mwamba testing on his own patients? and Dr. Nigam, when do you and Dr. Mwamba plan on having all of the licensing and what not done so he can offer it in his clinic?

Thanks, FTL

[534623]

I can never tell if you're trolling or serious, but no Dr. Mwamba hasn't confirmed jack shit. He seems positive and is going to investigate it further himself, but no it's not over, the op should be shot for making such a stupid title.

Ah, thanks - now I understand ...

http://youtu.be/71vqGyWTs3c

[greatjob!]

Sorry for the stupid question, because I didn't follow this thread closely, but is all this what Dr. Mwamba confirmed from Nigam's clinic? Is all that the reason why it's over (or not over)?

I can never tell if you're trolling or serious, but no Dr. Mwamba hasn't confirmed jack shit. He seems positive and is going to investigate it further himself, but no it's not over, the op should be shot for making such a stupid title.

[534623]

You didn't list some of the major setbacks with half of these limited treatments:

Fin: is ineffective at regrowing new hair
Minox: is an absolute joke at regrowing new hair
FUT: Borderline barbaric, maximally-invasive, cannot create anything close to a full head of hair, costs a ridiculous amount of money
FUE: Very invasive, cannot create anything close to a full head of hair, costs a ridiculous amount of money

Sorry for the stupid question, because I didn't follow this thread closely, but is all this what Dr. Mwamba confirmed from Nigam's clinic? Is all that the reason why it's over (or not over)?