Dr Nigam agrees to doubling slick NW6/NW7

[gc83uk]

there is no way one say yes and the other say no. We will test on many patient, different method on same patient also. We want to count and see what give the best regrowth at donor and recipient.

If it doesnt work, then it doesnt work, i want a scientific approach there. But for now, from what we have counted it seems i have exact same density from my before to my after surgery in the 4 area strips counted per cm²...

Well Dr Nigam already say YES, so why are we bothering doing tests with Dr Mwamba in that case?

[gc83uk]

we would maybe need a tatoo at recipient (a very small point..) but taking into account usually recipient is not a 100% full regrowth even if mwamba is very good for that.

This would help, but it really isn't essential.

True, recipient is probably not going to be 100%, but at least 95%

[tom vercetti]

Well Dr Nigam already say YES, so why are we bothering doing tests with Dr Mwamba in that case?

and what is your point... ? you dont want test ?

[tom vercetti]

This would help, but it really isn't essential.

True, recipient is probably not going to be 100%, but at least 95%

its not essential indeed

wrong, between 80 and 100% according to mwamba and he is one of the best in the world..

[gc83uk]

But for now, from what we have counted it seems i have exact same density from my before to my after surgery in the 4 area strips counted per cm²...

Can you tell me, did you count the number of hairs or the FU's?

[gc83uk]

its not essential indeed

wrong, between 80 and 100% according to mwamba and he is one of the best in the world..

Interesting! I was suggesting last week that 85% for top FUE surgeons is not unusual, but a few others here in this forum were either not sure or adamant that it was 100% which I thought was incorrect. I'm glad you have clarified this.

[JDW]

The area shaved would be relatively small, maybe say 4cm by 2cm. How do you have your hair?

The grafts could be put in the hairline, but they would have to be visible. Are you receeding at the front? What NW are you?

yes reeceding at the front, probably somewhere between a 2 and 3 but hair is grown out to cover it a bit.

[gc83uk]

and what is your point... ? you dont want test ?

Of course I want the test. I want as many tests as possible.

I just don't understand why you don't want us to also have Nigam do a test.

[tom vercetti]

Of course I want the test. I want as many tests as possible.

I just don't understand why you don't want us to also have Nigam do a test.

its not i dont want.. Its just i cant see interest.. and still dont..

they counted both: hair count and FU per cm², both was same in the 4 area.. sounds good enough after a 1600 HT isnt ?

for the result in terms of % at recipient, its depend of surgeon of course but also from patient to another and also the density (more he wants density, more % will be lower as they need blood vessels to supply)

[Boldy]

we send Iron man, can we trust him, he would pluck em out on the way to hotel and say 0 growth

lol..

[JJJJrS]

I think Nigams should do it. Mwamba isn't done with his training yet, he's going back to India for more training. So theoretically at this moment the best result will be when Nigams does it.

Yeah the more I think of it, the more it seems a good idea to do a 50 graft test instead of following Thane. We'd need someone we can trust. Someone who is an active member (so won't disappear) and who knows how to shoot photo's. I would then sponsor this person with a ticket and hotel costs. Good idea ?

I wouldn't prioritize one test over the other. Both the NW6->NW2 conversion and 50 graft test procedures are very useful. When the results of the tests are combined, they give you a much more complete picture than one test would be able to on its own.

But I would love to see a "de-novo" 50 graft test also. The key would be the documentation and following the proper procedure, i.e. implanting grafts in a slick bald spot.

Even if Mwamba is planning on doing some tests on his own, I would hope that he would share the results with the online community. Words are not enough, no matter what the reputation of the surgeon is. We need to see conclusive proof.

[JJJJrS]

its not i dont want.. Its just i cant see interest.. and still dont..

they counted both: hair count and FU per cm², both was same in the 4 area.. sounds good enough after a 1600 HT isnt ?

They counted all 1600 follicular units in the donor? Before and after the procedure?

[gc83uk]

its not i dont want.. Its just i cant see interest.. and still dont..

they counted both: hair count and FU per cm², both was same in the 4 area.. sounds good enough after a 1600 HT isnt ?

for the result in terms of % at recipient, its depend of surgeon of course but also from patient to another and also the density (more he wants density, more % will be lower as they need blood vessels to supply)

You can concentrate on Mwamba and if others want to concentrate on Nigam, then leave them to it. Asking people not to disturb them is frankly ridiculous. Nigam is always happy to discuss on the forums, so leave it at that.

If the hair count is the same then of course that is fantastic, but I will need to see the photos first

How is your recipient looking? What is the yield from your first transplant with Nigam?

Can you just clarify to me, have you had 2 x transplants with Nigam? 1 in mid 2013 and the 2nd in Sept 2013, right?

[gc83uk]

I wouldn't prioritize one test over the other. Both the NW6->NW2 conversion and 50 graft test procedures are very useful. When the results of the tests are combined, they give you a much more complete picture than one test would be able to on its own.

Bang on the money

But I would love to see a "de-novo" 50 graft test also. The key would be the documentation and following the proper procedure, i.e. implanting grafts in a slick bald spot.

I said as much a couple of pages back, if the extracted hairs are all 2 hair FU's then with De-novo you should be able to get 200 hairs in recipient and 60% of the donor repaired, equating to a loss of 40 hairs in the donor, net gain of hair on head = 160

It's also worth noting that Mwamba has told Tom that yields can be as low as 80% in the recipient, so this would have to be taken into account.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

what's everyone's gut feeling on this?