Dr Nigam agrees to doubling slick NW6/NW7

[Arashi]

Would you have any specific rules Arashi? Can Nigam use beard hair, or does he have have to use the hair from Thane's head? Is Nigam allowed to use hair multiplication too? Are you just letting him do whatever he can to produce the best results?

Yeah he can do whatever he wants to. All I want to see is 15k grafts * 2.5 hairs/graft = 37.500 new hairs on Thane's scalp, as long as it's real hair and not bio-fibres, lol. And of course donor density shouldn't have suffered too much (eg he can't just simply move all hair to recipient, he claims 100% regen, so donor should seem more or less the same)

Of course I'm not going to count them all, just need to monitor a few random patches on his scalp to confirm that density. I'll then let Spencer be the judge and if he thinks the result is close enough to that, he can send out the money to Thane. If Spencer would agree to participating of course. And I'd want to see Thane in person to check the result and shoot some pics.

Sounds like an interesting challenge, right ?

And regarding the beard hair: yeah he can use that as a source for cells. However the resulting hair should be regular head hair, not beard hair of course.

[HairBane]

Would you have any specific rules Arashi? Can Nigam use beard hair, or does he have have to use the hair from Thane's head? Is Nigam allowed to use hair multiplication too? Are you just letting him do whatever he can to produce the best results?

[crafter]

nothing will come of this.

[Arashi]

Maybe he feels that no matter how great or superior the camera or pictures are, people are always going to be unconvinced! There's no point in talking to death the idea of Dr Nigam buying a better camera or transferring money here and there - the simple solution is to replicate exactly what Dr Nigam is doing in his lab by a IAHRS doctor in a completely different lab, if the results can be reproduced in a different environment then we know the procedure works.

This is exactly why Dr Mwamba has become involved, we will know when Dr Mwamba has understood and performed the procedure himself in his own clinic and confirmed the findings, Dr Nigam will then be admitted to the IAHRS and we will have donor doubling as a mainstream treatment.

It's great for sure that Mwamba is now involved. However, like Spencer noted, it might take a year before Mwamba even knows if works or not. And I'm pretty sure he wont release any interim updates. There's the possibility that even after a year he still can't tell for sure it works. And even if he's gotten a good result: it will still be his word ! Maybe he can document a 50 graft test, and that would be extremely interesting. But converting a NW7 with horrible donor, to somebody with a scalp full of hair, a case which we can follow here with interim updates .. Man that's really the best evidence we can get !

Besides, I'm a man of my word, I already promised it to Thane here on this board, I won't pull that offer.

[Arashi]

Sounds good, Spencer will be third party holding money. Get in touch with Thane via Skype to make sure its him and make him an offer, he would be crazy to refuse it.

Does money go to Thane or Nigam or 50:50(if they win)?

This is purely meant to motivate Thane to not 'disappear' as Nigams has put it. So it will go to Thane. I know I also talked about a condition where Nigams had to pay me something when he failed; I'll let that go. This will then be something purely between me and Thane, with Spencer as the referee

[HairBane]

also guys, dr nigams will bring me in contact with thane. The thing i saw as difficult in the whole process was the part of the money transfer. Using a notary, escrow etc, it's all complicated and i guess it's going to be costly too. And when should the notary release the money ? So i just thought of a much better idea: If thane agrees, i'll ask spencer if he wants to be the 'notary' here i'll wire the $10,000 to spencer right after thane agrees. And then spencer can be the judge here and see if he just should release the money back to me (in case nigams failed to get thane 15k grafts @ 2.5 hair/graft) or to thane (in case nigams did what he claims he'll do). Pretty frikkin' awesome idea, right ? :d

yes

[didi]

Also guys, Dr Nigams will bring me in contact with Thane. The thing I saw as difficult in the whole process was the part of the money transfer. Using a notary, escrow etc, it's all complicated and I guess it's going to be costly too. And when should the notary release the money ? So I just thought of a much better idea: if Thane agrees, I'll ask Spencer if he wants to be the 'notary' here I'll wire the $10,000 to Spencer right after Thane agrees. And then Spencer can be the judge here and see if he just should release the money back to me (in case Nigams failed to get Thane 15k grafts @ 2.5 hair/graft) or to Thane (in case Nigams did what he claims he'll do). Pretty frikkin' awesome idea, right ?

Sounds good, Spencer will be third party holding money. Get in touch with Thane via Skype to make sure its him and make him an offer, he would be crazy to refuse it.

Does money go to Thane or Nigam or 50:50(if they win)?

[UK_]

Money transfers, new cameras, rewards yadda yadda yadda

I'm sitting on the fence!

You have to ask yourself if you were Nigam why ask Mwamba over to India if you're not confident in your own procedure? You'd have to be stupid!

I think Dr Nigam should make a promise to himself to never upload photos of this kind of quality. I don't think he has any bad intentions, perhaps just naive and/or too busy to care.

Maybe he feels that no matter how great or superior the camera or pictures are, people are always going to be unconvinced! There's no point in talking to death the idea of Dr Nigam buying a better camera or transferring money here and there - the simple solution is to replicate exactly what Dr Nigam is doing in his lab by a IAHRS doctor in a completely different lab, if the results can be reproduced in a different environment then we know the procedure works.

This is exactly why Dr Mwamba has become involved, we will know when Dr Mwamba has understood and performed the procedure himself in his own clinic and confirmed the findings, Dr Nigam will then be admitted to the IAHRS and we will have donor doubling as a mainstream treatment.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

Arashi you are influenced by the stock market....

Arashi any job for me....

johny work for Arashi....drive him anywhere protect him....all for the bussinessman Arashi....

just let me know....

sorry for the offtopic but i cant send pm.


I am diying of curiosity about this joshi project...if it works we will get cured despite the amount of loss we will go through

[Arashi]

Also guys, Dr Nigams will bring me in contact with Thane. The thing I saw as difficult in the whole process was the part of the money transfer. Using a notary, escrow etc, it's all complicated and I guess it's going to be costly too. And when should the notary release the money ? So I just thought of a much better idea: if Thane agrees, I'll ask Spencer if he wants to be the 'notary' here I'll wire the $10,000 to Spencer right after Thane agrees. And then Spencer can be the judge here and see if he just should release the money back to me (in case Nigams failed to get Thane 15k grafts @ 2.5 hair/graft) or to Thane (in case Nigams did what he claims he'll do). Pretty frikkin' awesome idea, right ?

[Arashi]

He managed to shot Thanes photos and they were great. Did he use the same camera?

How many grafts is joshi getting? Invitro or denovo?

He used different cams, Joshi will be getting 15k, denovo.

[didi]

That would be ideal. But I can live with sub-perfect photo's. As long as they're sharp, high resolution (at least 10M, preferably higher), shot with a decent DSLR cam with good lense and in focus, I'm happy. And yes of course you're right that to make a really good case, a LOT more is important, like getting the lighting right and have that match in before-after photos'. But again, I can live with sub-perfect photo's. Just not with horrible blurry 1 Megapixel ones.

He managed to shot Thanes photos and they were great. Did he use the same camera?

How many grafts is joshi getting? Invitro or denovo?

[Arashi]

But, heres another major problem. 99% of people know jack shit about hair loss, follicles, hair growth, hair transplants, scarring, etc as a COLLECTIVE. You'd basically have to have a photographer who would ideally be familiar with before and after photographs of a hair transplant patient who's had close up photography.

That would be ideal. But I can live with sub-perfect photo's. As long as they're sharp, high resolution (at least 10M, preferably higher), shot with a decent DSLR cam with good lense and in focus, I'm happy. And yes of course you're right that to make a really good case, a LOT more is important, like getting the lighting right and have that match in before-after photos'. But again, I can live with sub-perfect photo's. Just not with horrible blurry 1 Megapixel ones.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

Dr Nigam what is the density you will make joshi recipient? hair per cm^2

he looks severe bald btw.

i hope everything plays out well for joshi, Dr and then us....

[hellouser]

Well, like I said, my collegue shot this photo with a $1000 cam:http://i.imgur.com/QosxBQP.jpg

And he knows NOTHING about technique or shooting photo's. He just pressed a single button. It's not a perfect photo by far, nor is the cam a professional camera, but its 100x better than the one Nigam's shot.

But what any doctor would do if he had solved hairloss and wanted to demonstrate that to the world is, hire a photographer and have him shoot some pics. Is it really that hard to figure that's going to make the case 100x more credible ? I really don't get it.

The dude is apparently loaded with money. And he has to be. If he's got all that lab equipment for all of his work with hair multiplication, stem cell work, etc. there's not a chance in hell that he can't hire a professional photographer to document the case.

But, heres another major problem. 99% of people know jack shit about hair loss, follicles, hair growth, hair transplants, scarring, etc as a COLLECTIVE. You'd basically have to have a photographer who would ideally be familiar with before and after photographs of a hair transplant patient who's had close up photography. Otherwise, its not at all crazy to assume that the photographer is going to think 'Oh yeah I just need generic pictures of the back and top of a guys head'.

No, we need that AND proper macro photos of the individual hairs popping through scalp skin.

My god, I'd so be all over this if I we're within proximity of Nigams office.