Dr Nigam agrees to doubling slick NW6/NW7

[Arashi]

This is good news yes, but we will test now on about 10 peoples 4 area, with semi permanent tatoo, around 50 single graft very well localised. Then we will count the exact % of regrowth in terms of graft AND hair.

This is what I was hoping for !! Really happy to hear Mwamba is doing this !

[Arashi]

Sounds very interesting for sure Tom. Still I have my doubts regarding your case in terms of proof. The fact that there were no photo's for some parts of your donor pre-op before your first surgery, the fact that 4 'strips' were used while they're not all that easy to locate, grafts being planted back into donor and the fact that the same donor region was used twice all extremely complicates the case for research purposes. Yet I'm very happy Mwamba seems to think regrowth is happening, sounds very promising. I'm sure he knows what he's doing and doesn't say things unless he's got something real.

[NeedHairASAP]

That's great news Tom. I am interested to know if by doubling you mean that you actually are growing more hair than before the procedure.

What I mean is did they simply cut the follicle in half and took half the amount of hair from a follicle and transplanted it leaving the other half behind so now you have double the graft but the same amount of hair.

Or did both halfs of the follicle grow back and now you have double the hair. Is there a noticeable cosmetic difference when you look in the mirror or when you you run your hands through your hair?

My understanding is that each half grows back to a full follicular unit, so you have 1600 full folicular units extracted, cut in half, and then regenerate as 2800 full follicular units-- to be placed in recipient and donor extraction holes

[locke999]

That's great news Tom. I am interested to know if by doubling you mean that you actually are growing more hair than before the procedure.

What I mean is did they simply cut the follicle in half and took half the amount of hair from a follicle and transplanted it leaving the other half behind so now you have double the graft but the same amount of hair.

Or did both halfs of the follicle grow back and now you have double the hair. Is there a noticeable cosmetic difference when you look in the mirror or when you you run your hands through your hair?

[NeedHairASAP]

Tom,

U got 1, 600 grafts in the recipient?

So you only had 800 extraction points in the donor? I know its healed now supposedly with hair, but it took 800 extractions to get 1600 grafts in the recipient?

Or he made 1600 extractions and he put 1600 in recipient and 1600 back in the donor extra tion holes?

I'm still foggy on this

[tom vercetti]

Ahah no I stoped video game long times ago now

Impossible for nigam or mwamba to say about prices yet but soon it will comes. You should wait after january

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

have you seen the new GTA V? it is super...i grew up with the series i am so fun of it i am putting it in my cv .......


lolz....

hey tom how much did the op costed you? can you share this info?

yes tommy vercetti is the guy in hawaïan shirt in vice city.. ahah



yes with de novo we can indeed triple hair.. but for me we didnt. "Just" double..

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

Dr Nigam you have at some point to let us know what will the pricing be....

i am sure there will be many baldies needing some 15000 grafts....

please dont be hard on this...

-john

[tom vercetti]

thats great./..

"tommy vercety" is the name of the main actor in grand theft auto vice city right?


so with the denovo we triple hair and keep donor? wow

yes tommy vercetti is the guy in hawaïan shirt in vice city.. ahah



yes with de novo we can indeed triple hair.. but for me we didnt. "Just" double..

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

tom did denovo

It sounds very interesting. I'm just still skeptical too. How could donor even 'look the same', when you extracted and implanted grafts back into donor ? I mean the least I'd expect would for the grafts to have changed position, even if density was the same. Which would make the analysis a lot more complicated.

And it was the same donor region that you used in the first surgery, so how does he even know it are not grafts from that other surgery that he's seeing now ? I just think Tom wasn't a very good case in terms of proof. Best way to prove the effectiveness of the procedure would to take 100 grafts from donor, split them and put everything back into recipient. Hopefully dr Mwamba has conducted something like that too. I'm sure he thought of it anyway.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

thats great./..

"tommy vercety" is the name of the main actor in grand theft auto vice city right?


so with the denovo we triple hair and keep donor? wow

[tom vercetti]

Dr Mwamba counted my 4 donor area both with macro and micro pics with before / after. And.. density seems exact same.. Crazy as i got an hair transplant of 1600.. This is good news yes, but we will test now on about 10 peoples 4 area, with semi permanent tatoo, around 50 single graft very well localised. Then we will count the exact % of regrowth in terms of graft AND hair.

I did a de novo for information.

[Arashi]

dr mwamba took pics of TOM and did hair count of the donor...

This is what tom told me on skype..(i would like to confirmation of the same from dr mwamba)

0 white dots, near complete donor regen..
from where follicles were taken(that's what tom said,i am yet to see the pics)..
tom said donor looks same as in before pics.
tom;s donor around his scar was shaved again ..by dr mwamba..
and hair count was done with before and after pics..

which showed complete donor regen..
(again that's what tom said..i am yet to see the pics..).

the pics are with dr mwamba...

he is in china for a stemcell conference..would be back in 2 days...

Ask them to provide you with photos and their independent assessment.

It sounds very interesting. I'm just still skeptical too. How could donor even 'look the same', when you extracted and implanted grafts back into donor ? I mean the least I'd expect would for the grafts to have changed position, even if density was the same. Which would make the analysis a lot more complicated.

And it was the same donor region that you used in the first surgery, so how does he even know it are not grafts from that other surgery that he's seeing now ? I just think Tom wasn't a very good case in terms of proof. Best way to prove the effectiveness of the procedure would to take 100 grafts from donor, split them and put everything back into recipient. Hopefully dr Mwamba has conducted something like that too. I'm sure he thought of it anyway.

[Hair123]

Hellouser,

I will pass on these details to the photographer,thanks for ur inputs.

In the mean time,there is an potential exciting news for you all..

But, i did not want to say it myself..
you should ask TOM and dr mwamba...

dr mwamba took pics of TOM and did hair count of the donor...

This is what tom told me on skype..(i would like to confirmation of the same from dr mwamba)

0 white dots, near complete donor regen..
from where follicles were taken(that's what tom said,i am yet to see the pics)..
tom said donor looks same as in before pics.
tom;s donor around his scar was shaved again ..by dr mwamba..
and hair count was done with before and after pics..

which showed complete donor regen..
(again that's what tom said..i am yet to see the pics..).

the pics are with dr mwamba...

he is in china for a stemcell conference..would be back in 2 days...

Ask them to provide you with photos and their independent assessment.

whoa... this is kinda of HUGE, Im waiting for Tom and specially Dr. Mwamba to come forward and corroborate this claim.

[crafter]

Stop spreading false rumors, that isn't true at all.

DONOR DOUBLING can be done anywhere.

well this is what i got from a reliable source


1. He can regenerate donor hair 3 different ways...

-1A. In Vivo Doubling: Somewhat similar to what Gho claims. The hair is "split" in the scalp, and the bisected follicle is implanted in the recipient area. If it works, hair grows in recipient area and grows back in donor area.

-1B. In Vitro Doubling: Similar to above, but in this case the entire follicle is extracted, then bisected in vitro. One part is put back in the donor area, the other part is placed back in the recipient. This method yields close to 100% regeneration, according to Dr. Nigam.

-1C. De Novo Doubling: Similar to above, but both halves are placed in the recipient area, and the donor hair is regenerated using ECM/Patient's previously cultured Stem Cells/(maybe PRP?)/Etc.


2. He also claims he can multiply hair non-surgically (like Aderans and Intercytex et al were/are trying to do) using the patient's own cultured adult stem cells.




It's important to note that 1C and 2 cannot be done legally in the United States or Europe at this point, as stem cell treatments must be cleared by the respective FDAs in those places.

It's also important to note that this has not yet been reproduced by Dr. Mwamba, but he has stated that he is very excited and optimistic, and as such he is trying and will confirm or deny in a few months, likely before 2014.

(I've been following this guy pessimistically, but now I'm also excited and optimistic.)

Among other things that transpired during the visit: Dr. Mwamba performed a typical FUE on one of Dr. Nigam's patients, and Dr. Nigam used his stem cell treatment from 1C in an attempt to regenerate the donor hair. In addition, Dr. Nigam performed 1B on one of Dr. Mwamba's staff/patients. Both patients live in Europe, and will follow up with Dr. Mwamba.

Dr. Nigam also revealed his procedures fully to Dr. Mwamba (in this way he is already much more transparent than Dr. Gho), and Dr. Mwamba is now trying to reproduce and further experiment on 1A and 1B in Europe.

You may be wondering: "don't all of the above constitute the first cure for hair loss?" I would have to say: yes.

However, Dr. Nigam himself has said that some patients don't respond to 2, and Dr. Mwamba has yet to confirm 1A or 1B.

It would be a giant let down if Mwamba is not able to reproduce this, but based on what he's seen I repeat: he's very optimistic and is not hedging at all at this point, except to say that there is no proof until he can reproduce it in his clinic.